TRA-The Really Atrocious Lineup.

desOo · 10-06-2009, 11:43 AM

DS Blog - DotA, Warcraft, Gaming and Blizzard News 6.63b - The Really Atrocious Lineup

Do you guys agree that those 3 are the best heroes for the current metagame?
Discuss.

BabyComix · 10-06-2009, 11:48 AM

For the current metagame.

And the article has some truth to it, yeah. All three are currently very strong heroes.

I would disagree that they are the best heroes though, for various reasons.

Swiftkick · 10-06-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by desOo

DS Blog - DotA, Warcraft, Gaming and Blizzard News 6.63b - The Really Atrocious Lineup

Do you guys agree that those 3 are the best heroes in the current metagame?
Discuss.

Rhasta just got a pretty big nerf in this version, so I can't see how he's stronger then a pre 6.63b version, unless you're using Wards to kill people that have (new)Phase boots. Lion, Rhasta and Bane have been strong. Of course disables are amazing.

However, Rhasta's AoE isn't as strong as it was before (cooldown nerf). Lion doesn't have any AoE damage aside from Impale. Bane has zero AoE presence, and one of his disables is a channel, just like Rhasta. To say they're the best... I don't know. Is one of those three going to be in a comp game? Odds are high, unless it's a -rd game, and none of them pop.

desOo · 10-06-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Swiftkick

Is one of those three going to be in a comp game? Odds are high, unless it's a -rd game, and none of them pop.

What do you mean?

A∴A∴ · 10-06-2009, 01:17 PM

Whoever wrote is obviously a lower skilled player, ie pubs/ta/sig/dl etc, Lion is in every game yes, but he never draws a ban, he's just a good support hero, best one there is. Bane could be called imba in current version, sure, but with the manacost increase yet to fully be playtested, same with Rhasta's wards cd increase, hard to tell, from what I've seen Rhasta is balanced atm, Bane might need a bit more of a nerf but meh.

Swiftkick · 10-06-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by desOo

What do you mean?

If it's a Captain's Mode game, you'll see Lion/Rhasta/Bane either picked or banned.

If it's a Captain's Draft game, they might not be among the randomly generated hero pool. Damnit, I typed -rd, instead of -cd. Oh well, I'm too lazy to go back and change it.

Wind197 · 10-06-2009, 02:19 PM

Disables have always been strong, but only semi/carries are considered imba top tier heros. Support is always underrated, because you don't die to the support, you die to the imba dpser.

Coke_Zero · 10-06-2009, 03:51 PM

Support is not underated in competitive play. You die to being stunned or slowed or debuffed by the imba support.

Ravs · 10-06-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Wind197

Disables have always been strong, but only semi/carries are considered imba top tier heros. Support is always underrated, because you don't die to the support, you die to the imba dpser.

True story

well put

lolimgondar · 10-06-2009, 04:24 PM

I remember when they used to have a balancing principle where heros with 2 disables would run slow and be easier to kill than others. They threw that out the window several versions ago and now all the disable heros are completely dominant.

DotA needs diminishing returns IMO or a cheaper version of the bkb.

desOo · 10-06-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Wind197

Disables have always been strong, but only semi/carries are considered imba top tier heros. Support is always underrated, because you don't die to the support, you die to the imba dpser.

You talking about pubs. U dunno how many whines I see because of abbadon? Everione in competitive said he is OP lately. Imo he is one of the best current picks, togherer with RAL and some few others.

Pandamann · 10-06-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by A∴A∴

Whoever wrote is obviously a lower skilled player, ie pubs/ta/sig/dl etc, Lion is in every game yes, but he never draws a ban, he's just a good support hero, best one there is. Bane could be called imba in current version, sure, but with the manacost increase yet to fully be playtested, same with Rhasta's wards cd increase, hard to tell, from what I've seen Rhasta is balanced atm, Bane might need a bit more of a nerf but meh.

wrong. Lion is often banned/fped in Asia, and Asians are better.

desOo · 10-06-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pandamann

wrong. Lion is often banned/fped in Asia, and Asians are better.

You can't say "Asians are better."

There are thousands things about that to discuss, anyway he is even in europe ever picked, even if not fpicked, and he is never been bad.

ChurchOfPudge · 10-06-2009, 06:13 PM

Ofc Rhasta is one of the most op heroes. He can disable a lot, has a nice spammable nuke and a killer ult. Especially if you do the trick to select your ult and click directly on the target, cause then the wards align around him, trap him and you get another kill....

And no hero should be able to bring down a whole base singlehandedly with only ult, agh and refresher....

Kallp · 10-06-2009, 06:18 PM

TC, Dirge, and NA.

/thread

desOo · 10-06-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kallp

TC, Dirge, and NA.

/thread

TC???? ahahahah
/your post

UTDC.Justin · 10-06-2009, 06:32 PM

I wouldn't say that he's entirely wrong, but both his experiences and reasoning are a bit shallow in nature. Bane is the strongest of the 3 in terms of balance and competitive viability right now, Rhasta is more of an annoyance ban like NA, and Lion is a solid pick but certainly not overpowered. Competitive DotA tournaments are also slow on the uptake of current bans/picks, but playing in many high-level scrimmages and clanwars, or maybe just having a good knowledge of the game itself, will show you a better representation of hero strengths and the metagame itself.

bountyface · 10-06-2009, 06:43 PM

i'd say the best hero right now is Abbadon, Morph or Bane.

Visnger · 10-07-2009, 01:09 AM

Bane is still the king of metagame right now.Who else can disable the whole team with euls and guinsoo only? Not to mention his great attack animation and his rigged attack sequence(which takes bane out of his collision shape.).

Fabuloussis · 10-07-2009, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by desOo

You can't say "Asians are better."

There are thousands things about that to discuss, anyway he is even in europe ever picked, even if not fpicked, and he is never been bad.

well but the asians started to play lion and many other heroes.
i remember a threat here/or at DL : "why is abbadon never picked?"
people said that hes just too bad compared with omni and coild heals too less.
lateron an unknown team named OS started to pick him all the time and owned all the common european pro teams.
->eurpeans just copy

10-06-2009, 11:43 AM	#1
desOo Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Switzerland. Posts: 1,064	TRA-The Really Atrocious Lineup. DS Blog - DotA, Warcraft, Gaming and Blizzard News 6.63b - The Really Atrocious Lineup Do you guys agree that those 3 are the best heroes for the current metagame? Discuss.

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10-06-2009, 01:17 PM	#5
A∴A∴ Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The Abyss Posts: 1,890	Re: TRA-The Really Atrocious Lineup. Whoever wrote is obviously a lower skilled player, ie pubs/ta/sig/dl etc, Lion is in every game yes, but he never draws a ban, he's just a good support hero, best one there is. Bane could be called imba in current version, sure, but with the manacost increase yet to fully be playtested, same with Rhasta's wards cd increase, hard to tell, from what I've seen Rhasta is balanced atm, Bane might need a bit more of a nerf but meh. __________________ Don't look at me, please, don't look at me.

10-06-2009, 02:19 PM	#7
Wind197 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 60	Re: TRA-The Really Atrocious Lineup. Disables have always been strong, but only semi/carries are considered imba top tier heros. Support is always underrated, because you don't die to the support, you die to the imba dpser.

10-06-2009, 03:51 PM	#8
Coke_Zero Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 42	Re: TRA-The Really Atrocious Lineup. Support is not underated in competitive play. You die to being stunned or slowed or debuffed by the imba support.

10-06-2009, 04:24 PM	#10
lolimgondar Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 867	Re: TRA-The Really Atrocious Lineup. I remember when they used to have a balancing principle where heros with 2 disables would run slow and be easier to kill than others. They threw that out the window several versions ago and now all the disable heros are completely dominant. DotA needs diminishing returns IMO or a cheaper version of the bkb.

10-06-2009, 06:13 PM	#14
ChurchOfPudge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 64	Re: TRA-The Really Atrocious Lineup. Ofc Rhasta is one of the most op heroes. He can disable a lot, has a nice spammable nuke and a killer ult. Especially if you do the trick to select your ult and click directly on the target, cause then the wards align around him, trap him and you get another kill.... And no hero should be able to bring down a whole base singlehandedly with only ult, agh and refresher....

10-06-2009, 06:18 PM	#15
Kallp Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 86	Re: TRA-The Really Atrocious Lineup. TC, Dirge, and NA. /thread

10-06-2009, 06:43 PM	#18
bountyface Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 904	Re: TRA-The Really Atrocious Lineup. i'd say the best hero right now is Abbadon, Morph or Bane.

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10-07-2009, 01:09 AM	#19
Visnger Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Phil. Posts: 805	Re: TRA-The Really Atrocious Lineup. Bane is still the king of metagame right now.Who else can disable the whole team with euls and guinsoo only? Not to mention his great attack animation and his rigged attack sequence(which takes bane out of his collision shape.). __________________