Farm4Fame SB - R1 - TeG vs MYM

[Impulsive]

F4F Second Blood Tournament
Round 1 Match

The Elder Gods vs MeetYourMakers

MYM

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Tournament Information
Game Version: 1.24
Map Version: 6.64
Match Format: BO1

Bans [TeG First]: | | | | | | |
Picks [TeG First]: | | | | |

TeG, Sentinel

freezer1905 (Top)
TeG-Coco (Top)
TeG-Hyperion (Middle)
neXt!S0ny (Bottom)
TeG-RMP (Jungle)

MYM, Scourge

MYM|AngeL (Top)
MYM|KuroKy (Middle)
MYM|MaNia (Bottom)
MYM|PusHer (Bottom)
MYM|miGGel (Bottom)

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[stealthfire]

viper musta got destroyed by that trilane

[DirtyEpic]

Poor viper..

[Goldenreaper]

That was utter destruction.

Kuroky farming that fast dagger made all the difference imo.
Some very slick play.

[CaptainPlatypus]

Very well played by MYM, but all kuroky's missed melds made me cry. If you can't pull it off more often than that, you should skill refraction first, not meld.

Still, kickass game.

[Matheo]

Viper and Chen sucked big time!
and surrender? holy ####!!!!

[stealthfire]

i wouldn't say suck, but they weren't very experienced. Viper just got caught over and over again by them very easily, resulting in 4 feeds in 4 minutes.

[-3d]

TeG not very experienced. Lol. I bet Loda isn't very experienced either, he fed a lot harder with Visage the other day.
Oh and Matheo did you really think they had a chance of winning this? So why would they play on? To waste their time? Great idea!

Btw very well played by MYM, I loved how agressive PusHer and miGGel were!

[Tw3n7yS]

I thought it a bit funny that Viper still decided to stay solo bottom after he got raped for the second time... I think they could have done better when they countered bottom lane right in the beginning. MYM would not have been feeded that hard and their carry could have actually carried.
TeG had one very good scene when they won the teamfight in the woods around minute 16. MYM just sucked here and TeG's potential got obvious, but like other people said before me they did not seem to be very experienced and made some hardcore mistakes, like letting Viper stay solo bottom lane.And to think, I did not even once see CM's ulit

[oni_link]

mb cos cm ulti sucks

[Tw3n7yS]

CM's ulti is really nice if used right. For example you wait for your team to engage in a 4vs5 fight and go in last to turn the tides. Most of the enemy players will have used their stuns and disables and u just have to stand there and avtivate your ultimate to win the fight for your team. A BKB or / and Dagger help with the process.

[tpinsane]

Seems like TeG like fnatic got surpriced by the agressive style of MyM and by tripple lanes. TeG is one of the best European teams but maby MyM or TeG's 2 new additions cought them unprepeared enought to win this match. However great match, pusher showing that he is easilly the best support player out there lately. He did sick Vengeful against fnatic, now he did a sick CM.

[Ali Radicali]

TEG is one of the most conservative teams I've ever seen, sticking to the same old PotM, chen, SK, Zeus, etc bland hero picks. Sure, they're commonly picked for a reason: they're strong heroes; but I can't shake the feeling that TEG severely lacks innovation and that's the reason they hardly ever beat other top teams like MYM.

[Impulsive]

Originally Posted by Ali Radicali

TEG is one of the most conservative teams I've ever seen, sticking to the same old PotM, chen, SK, Zeus, etc bland hero picks. Sure, they're commonly picked for a reason: they're strong heroes; but I can't shake the feeling that TEG severely lacks innovation and that's the reason they hardly ever beat other top teams like MYM.

You're so right, Alchemist solo mid is completely commonplace.

And before people complain about the tri-lane, what were their options? Swap from top to bottom? So the tri-lane can blow up the former top lane too?

[UTDC.Justin]

Originally Posted by Ali Radicali

TEG is one of the most conservative teams I've ever seen, sticking to the same old PotM, chen, SK, Zeus, etc bland hero picks. Sure, they're commonly picked for a reason: they're strong heroes; but I can't shake the feeling that TEG severely lacks innovation and that's the reason they hardly ever beat other top teams like MYM.

Or maybe other teams are just stronger. Don't think it has anything to do with something as trivial as innovation - have not seen any unheard-of strategy used in competition for a while now. If you really think innovation is having one of the world's best carry players picking TA when you have some of the best gank players assisting you, then well, you win this argument.

[Ali Radicali]

Originally Posted by UTDC.Justin

Or maybe other teams are just stronger. Don't think it has anything to do with something as trivial as innovation - have not seen any unheard-of strategy used in competition for a while now.

The best way to beat a stronger opponent is to not play their game. Trying an uncommon hero or running an unusual strategy is something that can allow you to beat a team that's stronger than your own. Sure it may fail and it may fail epically, but at least you have a shot. It doesn't even have to be a hero that you dug up from the trashheap, but looking at enemy picks you can often find an uncommon hero that serves as a good counter to specific enemy heroes. For example, a Jugg + something lane would probably fared a lot better against MYM's trilane, since Juggernaut's Bladefury is such a strong counter to aggressive lanes.

Originally Posted by UTDC.Justin

If you really think innovation is having one of the world's best carry players picking TA when you have some of the best gank players assisting you, then well, you win this argument.

That's not innovation, but picking such an aggressive earlygame team and doing a Trilane is at least not Standard. TEG didn't adapt to MYM's picks. (why the bloody hell pick a jungler when they already have CM/Lion/Slardar/Puck, that's like begging to get raped in lane)
Had MYM done a standard 2/1/2 lane-lineup, TEG's laning/strategy might have worked, but they didn't so it didn't. You could say it's hindsight speaking here, but since MYM is well-known to be one of the most aggressively ganking teams, and looking at picks it should have been obvious that Chen was a dud.

[UTDC.Justin]

Originally Posted by Ali Radicali

That's not innovation, but picking such an aggressive earlygame team and doing a Trilane is at least not Standard. TEG didn't adapt to MYM's picks. (why the bloody hell pick a jungler when they already have CM/Lion/Slardar/Puck, that's like begging to get raped in lane)
Had MYM done a standard 2/1/2 lane-lineup, TEG's laning/strategy might have worked, but they didn't so it didn't. You could say it's hindsight speaking here, but since MYM is well-known to be one of the most aggressively ganking teams, and looking at picks it should have been obvious that Chen was a dud.

Aggressive earlygame team? PotM-SK-Zeus-Viper-Chen the new turtler's metagame? Trilanes are not seen in every game, but there is a huge emphasis on roaming heroes especially from Scourge's bottom and Sentinel's top in the last 2 patches which give a similar effect, create farm opportunities in dual and solo lanes and force defensive measures. Chen/Viper or any other lane would be occupied bottom regardless, leaving KuroKy free reign of the mid lane - in this case it gave him a Dagger. As for your "adapting" comment for MYM and TeG, iirc TA was the last pick. SK and Chen are so-so counters but there was a lack of heroes to lane against any decently solo mid-laner like Bloodseeker would have worked in her place.

[Impulsive]

Originally Posted by Ali Radicali

The best way to beat a stronger opponent is to not play their game. Trying an uncommon hero or running an unusual strategy is something that can allow you to beat a team that's stronger than your own. Sure it may fail and it may fail epically, but at least you have a shot. It doesn't even have to be a hero that you dug up from the trashheap, but looking at enemy picks you can often find an uncommon hero that serves as a good counter to specific enemy heroes. For example, a Jugg + something lane would probably fared a lot better against MYM's trilane, since Juggernaut's Bladefury is such a strong counter to aggressive lanes.

Yo do realize that outside of a few special players, there isn't any one player or team is overwhelmingly underdogs to another team right? Any of the teams playing in F4F can take games and matches from each other. You post like TeG was doomed to lose this game from the onset because they are playing MYM rather than accrediting the game to MYM's smart laning and recognition at what TeG's lanes were. This isn't some scrub team from Romania facing MYM, so stop with with the shallow and misleading "analysis".

And just to highlight your complete inexperience at the game at upper tiers, you offer a Juggernaut lane which in itself is dependent on the Juggernaut being aggressive, how is the Jugg lane going to go offensive on the tri-lane?

Here's what happened, look at MYM's first pick, CM/Lion, hides their plan with many possibilities from that. Puck/Slardar, again not so obvious, nothing out of the ordinary here. No where in MYM's picks or bans suggested a tri-lane. It's not "innovation", it's simple reading the opponent's lanes, mediocre captains only pick the best heroes for the team, good captains will consider both their own and the opponent's lanes. MYM did that, TeG didn't consider the possibility and I don't blame them, no one runs the risky tri-lanes any more.

Edit: If you can't guess what the TA pick was for, then you are really missing MYM's game plan.

[3955elits]

^they watched CT-Mushi's TA and then try to do the same???hahahaha...funny analysis by Ali. juggernaut against trilane?
do you see mym was planning to go for a tri lane from the start?

[Impulsive]

No, TA's traps can offer some mild map control should the tri-lane fail which in turn opens up MYM to ganks (Zeus/SandK/PotM/Chen) and lets them take advantage of it. OR it just strangles TeG if the tri-lane pays off since they can't gank their way back into the game.