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Collection of Information regarding Dota and Pd

Posted 12-05-2010 at 01:00 PM by Mordax
Updated 02-06-2012 at 03:36 PM by Mordax

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This blog-entry is a summary of information and links.
I made it for my own use.
Eventually some people are thankful for the information or interested in the information, therefore it is public and not private.
Leave a comment or pm me, if you miss important things or links.



Useful Links

• dotastrategy

• Dota Wiki

• Places besides public to play dota

• Everything about BB code - How to do "spoilers", Using a text as link, implemeting Youtube videos in your posts.... etc

• Everything about BB code2

• Dota replay manager - The best tool, to show information about replays: player names, picked heroes, chatlog, itembuilt, skillbuilt, gold line xp line, actions and more (!)

• List of all smileys, available in this forum



Hero-stats

• Dotaleague Stats - What hero is picked how often, Hero winrates, most common items on the different heroes, average kills/deaths/denies/creep kills etc - THIS IS WORTH LOOKING AT!

• dotalicious gaming stats - same as dotaleague but not so much information

• Iccup Stats

• Divleague stats



Changelog summarys:

• All Hero buffs and nerves from 6.48-6.69

• All Item buffs and nerves from 6.48-6.69

• Summary of New and Remade Heroes (6.48-6.69)



Changelogs before the official changelogs:

• Anura's Summary of Changelogs

• From 1st Beta to Current Map - DotA Map Archive

• Extern Forum Thread

• Changelogs from 6.47 back to 5.72



Information+Statistics about the content of Dota


• List with long range slows and disables

• Collaborated DotA Statistics

• Advanced Statistics of Heroes

• Really Advanced Statistics of Heroes



Dota mechanics:

• Magic Immunity - Everything about Bkb, repell etc: Which skills affect magic immune units and what's the clue with ultis?

• Order of Damage Calculations
• Some examples for "Order of Damage Calculations":
e.g.: order of redutions for medusa: "mana shield --> dmg block --> armor

• Every Hero's Skill and Damage Type (6.69c)

• Linkens Sphere - Everything about Linkens and its interaction with all abilities in dota(!)



Statistics about pros:

• SMM Pick/Ban Statistics

• 6.69 item data

• WDC 2010 Statistics (Bans/Picks)

• Hero popularity list in competitive DotA(v6.68c)



Pro replays

• dota.sgamer

• dota.sgamer.com - Filter by hero through changing the url in your browser

• gosugamers.net

• dota.replays.net - With spoken commentary (!)

• dota.replays.net - Filter by hero with the pictures on the right

• uuu9.com
how to use uuu9

• Dotaleague replays

• dotasg.com


Best suggestions for dota (in my opinion):

• Charges of Diffusal Blade lvl 2 should be buyable with purchasing the diffusal recipe

• BKB nerf

• Quelling Blade should be usable for 3 times in order to provide great juking possibilities

• Hero idea isnpired by the wc3 custom map "Slide Ninja Slide"

Random Stuff

• IceFrog@Gmail.com

• And IceFrog said, Let there be balance: and there was balance. And IceFrog saw the balance, that it was good: and IceFrog divided the balance from the imbalance.

• Dota mechanics

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• Dota map

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• BB Codes:

• Note on text
• named Spoiler
• Url as text
• show the code
• alternative quote
• list
• table

For instance, Anti-Mage with level 4 Spell Shield and Hood will have a1 - (1-0.25)25% Base Magic Resistance, for any Hero * (1-0.4)40% from Spell Shield * (1-0.3)30% from Hood = 68.5% magic damage reduction

For instance, Anti-Mage with level 4 Spell Shield and Hood will have a
1 - [NOTE=25% Base Magic Resistance, for any Hero](1-0.25)[/NOTE] * [NOTE=40% from Spell Shield](1-0.4)[/NOTE] * [NOTE=30% from Hood](1-0.3)[/NOTE] = 68.5% magic damage reduction

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Tournament Format

1. Group Stage will be using Best of 1 format
2. Single Elimination and Best of 3
3. Map version for WDC is 6.69C.

Tournament Format
[LIST=1]
[*]Group Stage will be using Best of 1 format
[*]Single Elimination and Best of 3
[*]Map version for WDC is 6.69C.
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A	B	C
1	2	3
11	22	33

[TABLE="1"]A| B | C
1|2|3
11|22|33
[/TABLE]

• Playdota IRC

Server: QuakeNet
Channel: #PlayDotA

Thoughts I wanted to pin down

• Dota game and developer history

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lycan

well the first heroes have been carboncopyed from warcraft maps during the beginning era at hiveworkshop (it had a different name back then though) Most map creators just carboncopied eachother works. So this way a lot of them have ended up in one of the original dota maps as well. Than Euls version was the most favoured and gotten a lot more populair. Euls most likely got bored or fell under a truck no one knows his where abouts nowadays.
Guinsoo edited this map for him and his friends to have mroe balanced games. This took off to be a great idea and his map dota allstars became populair. After some while guinsoo stopped working on the map and passed it on to Icefrog. In this time it was unnknown why guinsoo stopped by now we know he decided to start working on lol. Icefrog as Well as Guinsoo had staff members and occaisionally reading through the suggestion section to see if there had been some interesting new refreshing idea's. For instance Soul Ring (suggested under the name Ring of Audacity), Vladimirs Offering, Puck have been thought up by the community and have been implemented with some minor adjustments. Every Changelog you see and there's a number after the line that number links to the thread where the suggestion came from.

• How the old dota was

Quote:

Originally Posted by incisorr

Also, on first versions of dota > there were 18 heroes on dota 0.96b i think.

Rikimaru, Lina , Chen , Sven, Drow , Furion , Batrider(lol yes he was removed later and readded again dunno why ) , Venge, Rhasta, Silencer existed back then, they are truly oldschool. Some other models were used such as Barathrum (with another name) ezalor zeus guardian wisp(which was named "GOD" back then) and so on were used as models but had different class name/skills.

Lina and Rhasta are the only heroes that have exactly the same skills as they do now (except lina's ultimate which gave attack speed is changed now to fiery soul but thats a detail!~)

Barathrum aka Astral Trekker back then has Ensnare(naga's web) that lasts 10 seconds (lol) and an aoe stun that lasts 6 seconds.
Riki's blink has 1 sec cd at max lvl (Like on WC campainings)
He has critical strike skill thats like mortred's ultimate(but is a normal skill), also he has some trap and his name is Ryu Hayabusa i believe thats from DOA (The game)
Sven's Cleave is 95%, he has 9 armor aura and his stun lasts 6 seconds while his ulti does 40.

Also the creeps are Pucks and some other wolf thingies while scoruge are leoric and atropos , but sent/scourge creeps dont have same stats (which is silly)



No wonder old dota was never famous huh? It seems pretty imbalanced , i wonder if anyone that still plays dota has ever played dota the absolutely first version (i have no clue what is it) but once i did a small search 0.96 was the oldest i could find

• E-Sport Watchability Problem

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heridshire

so what i expect from dota 2 is a way to stream simultaneously the 3 lanes during early game and a system that can prevent that provides incentive to agressive play in order to make it prohibitive those boring ricing moments. this way the whole match would be enjoyable.

other than that, it must exist a way to easily distinguish one team from the other, in the same way you can just by looking differentiate terrorists from CT's in CS. and finally, a system of narrator and commentator would make it easy to non-players to watch

• Metagame discussions

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mordax

I think icefrog does not like trilanes because it makes many good heroes (especially melees) not viable for competetive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mordax

I would change it into:
1)Every hero who assisted gets XP/gold (no matter if dead or not)
2)Every hero in the experience/gold range get Xp/gold

-> then I would make it possible only to get one type of bonusgold/bonusxp - the aoe gold/xp OR the assistgold/xp.

This way the recent XP buffes for doublelanes (nerfes for trilanes) would be executed, since the trilanes ALWAYS give lower XP no matter if you run away or die before your carry kills.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainPlatypus

.. buybacks absolutely kill any sort of aggression, and reduce lategame matches to a war of attrition
where 5-0ing a teamfight doesn't guarantee you a single tower, at least not right then,
and once one team finally runs out of buybacks their whole base is gone in 30 seconds.
This, IMHO, is what's making the game overly defensive these days, not any particular hero, item, or set of the above.
I'm about ready to call for buybacks being seriously nerfed
- maybe only halving your remaining respawn time, or something like that.
In their current state, even with the increased cost, they just make too big a difference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by midgtwitafidgt

Pro players realize that farming is the safest way to win the game and have consistently improved the methods of attaining maximum farm.
I expect that farming would have worked almost as well in many of the gank-dominated older versions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lanther

The more picks that are possible on competitive/semi-competitive scene,the less picks are possible in pubs.If IceFrog makes Drow and Storm viable at competitive,he has just almost removed Zeus and Crystal Maiden from pubs.

• Ice Drifter

http://www.playdota.com/forums/36066...s-ice-drifter/

Icicles

Quote:

Skaris sends out 3 Icicles that rotate about each other as they travel. They damage any units they hit. Any units that are hit become Icy, and will become frozen when they attack or cast when sliding on ice

- That is realy confusing, when you read it before the second skill.
I thought at first "why are they sliding on ice?!" "where does the ice come from??"

- You wrote "deals xx dps"
Why dps? dps=damage per second.
In the testmap, the damage was dealt only once, or am I blind?


Northrend Frost
Count allied heroes or enemy heroes or both?

Snowball
I realy like that, but it is a problem that it moves your opponents away.
In a realgame this is very bad.

Every stun and disable (in dota) has one task:
Hold done the enemy OR pull the enemy back.
Almost no skill moves your enemy away.
There are only few exceptions, that COULD be used this way, but those are intended to pull the enemies in your direction instead of pushing them away.

[The only skills I know for now, which could move your enemy away are:
force staff, glimpse, x mark, vacum, swap, invoker has one skill I dont know the name of.]

All theses skills normally pull your enemies back or hold them down, you wont find a skill that can be ONLY used to push your enemies away, because its bad.


My Suggestions:
The direction of snow ball has to be changerd, so the snowball moves towards "ice drifter".
Then we have a perfect synergy with northrend frost and iceskating.

Additionally I would change ice skating, in a way that enemy heroes are not able to change the direction they are heading (like in the custommap you mentioned at the beginning)

Edit:
Then you could use Snowball to initatie the movement of your enemies in your direction, and cast Ice skating somewhere at the end of the path of snowball, and your enemies glide on the ice to you

Edit2:
Then you could change northrend frost into something that helps you when you moved 5 enemy heroes in your direction, and casted "Icicles" on them.
I would suggest "adds damage to your base damage, depending on how many (enemy) heroes are on the ice."

I would remove or change the bonus ms for allied heroes in this casse

"skating ice" could be renamed into "frozen ground" - "ice ground" - "ice surface" - "frozen surface"

• prediction of 6.70

It comes in the next 9 days (with today), before 23.12.
I think at 18/19. but this is hard to say, while I am pretty sure that it will come before 23.

Heroes
- wr basedmg reduce or her "arrow" (2nd ability) damage will be reduced a bit
- bat str nerf
- doc nerf (one ability, stun/heal/maledict)
- linas spells damage increase, sth like +20 per lvl
- svens stun a bit nerfed esp earlygame

Items
- stick nerf of what one charge gives
- hood nerf - cloak cost by 100-200 incresae

Gameplay
- tp nerf (channel dutations esp when 2 people teleport)
- maybe removed wards and added a "view map for x seconds" but more likely wards will be nerfed
- buyback nerf


Coming probably soon (but most likely not in 6.70)
- farmgold nerf (I think he plans to do that but it will not come this version)
- katatpults nerf

• base damage heroes

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Top 10 Heroes with the highest average base damage
1)Pit Lord 62-68 (avg:65)
2)Stone Giant 61-67 (avg:64)
3)Dark Seer 60-66 (avg:63) / Treant Protector 59-67 (avg:63)
Life Stealer 57-67 (avg:62)
Chaos Knight 46-76 (avg:61)
Doom Bringer 53-69 (avg:61)
Undying 57-65 (avg:61)
Ogre Magi 58-64 (avg:61)
Faceless Void 58-64 (avg:61)


Top 15 heroes with the lowest average base damage
1)Goblin Techies 29-31 (avg:30)
2)Guardian Wisp 33-42 (avg:37.5)
3)Shadow Fiend 35-41 (avg:38)
Dwarven Sniper 36-42 (avg:39)
Bone Fletcher 37-43 (avg:40)
Crystal Maiden 38-44 (avg:41)
Geomancer 39-45 (avg:42)
Morphling 38-47 (avg:42.5)
Priestess Of The Moon 38-49 (avg:43.5)
Enigma 42-48 (avg:45)
Lord Of Olympia 41-49 (avg:45)
Demon Witch 42-48 (avg:45)
Phantom Assasin 42-48 (avg:45)
Drow Ranger 40-51 (avg:45.5)
Shadow Shaman 42-49 (avg:45.5)

Most common heroes 6.72c:
(sort by poularity)

venge
Windrunner
es
cm
veno
clock
ench
lich
weaver
doom
bat
enigma
oblivion
sylla

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Comments

1. 	Pretty nice list. I am also trying to find out how to make blog entries private...
   	Posted 12-06-2010 at 05:12 PM by 497

2. 	Thanks - to make your blog private, go to: "blog control panel" and then read "Permissions and Privacy" there you will find the options you need. what do you want to hide Make it public sharing stuff is always nice
   	Posted 12-06-2010 at 06:58 PM by Mordax Updated 12-08-2010 at 10:58 PM by Mordax

3. 	Thanks for help! What i wanted to hide? I wanted to use it as a sandbox, it may come in handy
   	Posted 12-06-2010 at 07:08 PM by 497

4. 	Mordax, you sir, are a helpful person. You deserve a free ice cream coupon.
   	Posted 12-11-2010 at 09:58 PM by Pingus!

5. 	Nice blog man, keep up with the good job
   	Posted 12-19-2010 at 03:23 PM by Snake

6. 	thank you
   	Posted 10-31-2011 at 06:37 PM by knifeman

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