[item]Gem of Mystic

teamgary · 07-20-2009, 12:43 PM

Gem of Mystic(icon below)

Requires:
Iron woodbranch
Gem of True Sight
Recipe(775 gold)

Description:The Orcs high priests created a gem with a power to see through anything.

Effects:
True Sight
+1 to all attributes
(8 charges)Far Seer(Active)

Far Sight(Active)
Gives Sight of anywhere on the map.
True Sight is inactive.Lasts 10 secs.aoe 650.
Cd:30
Mana:100
Only one far sight could be active at a time
Cannot be hold by couriers.
Drops upon Death.

Pros

-Looking out for team clashes and gank.
-Roshan in combat with enemy team.
-Runes Checker
-Look out for people Jungling
-Gureillas attack(Surprise attackers)
Ep.Yunero hiding in forest.

Cons:
-Waste of Slot
-Drops upon death
-No Stats

Notes:The charges would decrease each time.
Ep.1st time,8 charges
2nd time,7 charges
3rd time,6 charges
4th time,5 charges
Minimum 3 charges.
Each upgrade Makes 1sec cd and 5 mana cost decrease.Minimum cd will be 20 s.Minimum mana cost is 50.Each upgrade gives 2 stats.

Changelogs:
21/7-Pros and Cons updated
-Tried to balanced it
-Preventing abuse of item by Tinker
23/3-Added alittle stats for ppl to benefit better
Credits

Bimjowen-helped rebalancing

Rate it,T-up or down.If you need me to do some changes,post it here.Share your thoughts and suggestions
Thanks

warp0 · 07-20-2009, 12:55 PM

TBH I don't think DotA needs this item. That's really the only reason I have at the moment, it just is not needed to make the game better. I'm tired and don't ask for a better explanation this is the best I have for now. Sorry but just IMO T-Down.

windowlicka · 07-20-2009, 01:11 PM

^ I agree. Far sight is overpowered in a game like DotA, especially if it gives true sight. Far Sight isn't fun. In fact this item may be more or less mandatory for every game. Far Sight is invaluable for looking out for ganks, etc as you mentioned. The risk factor (drops upon death) in this case doesn't account for its power. T-Down, sorry.

Mfunn · 07-20-2009, 03:26 PM

gem usage in components is forbidden, far sight is forbidden too, you got it all wrong there

hateryx · 07-20-2009, 03:35 PM

The Far Sight ability is a good idea on a fog of war maps, but not on DotA. Relative abilities that can explore and reveal map areas like Summon Hawk, Watcher and Eyes of the Forest were even nerfed because it ultimately overpowers team counterattacks and attacks.

Aravis · 07-20-2009, 03:53 PM

T-up. I like it. It is a precious item as it drops upon death and yet gives some great map control.

And it would not be that imba. Just take clocks rockets. about 10 sec cooldown and reveals for 10 sec. Same thing just that clock rockets take some time until the area is discovered ( even better as you can send them through forests and see the whole area!)

teamgary · 07-21-2009, 07:05 AM

updated pros and cons.

bimjowen · 07-21-2009, 07:12 AM

Step 1) Chen farms to level 11
Step 2) Chen buys Aghanim's and Gem of Mystic
Step 3) Chen sits in base by fountain for the remainder of the game, spamming Ultimate and Farsight whenever the cooldowns are up, having a profound impact on the map without ever being in danger

T-down

teamgary · 07-21-2009, 07:16 AM

I try to fix on that.

bimjowen · 07-21-2009, 07:17 AM

Make the recipe cost 1000, and make the Gem of the Mystic have 1 charge of Farsight, and if you want another charge, you have to spend another 1000.

That's the only way I can see this item being "balanced," if item-based, instant-cast, global Dust of Appearance in DOTA can be considered balanced

Edit: if this item has infinite uses with a cooldown, it'd be absurdly OP. It could have a cooldown of 600 and it'd still be OP, because Tinker would break it with Rearm

teamgary · 07-21-2009, 07:37 AM

updated again.Now Tinker wouldnt abuse it.Tried to balance it.

teamgary · 07-21-2009, 07:53 AM

@bimjowen
Thanks for the tips for rebalancing it

bimjowen · 07-21-2009, 07:54 AM

You're quite welcome.

One last question -- does the Far Sight ability reveal invisible units?

I'm hoping your answer is no, because there's no way this item could ever be balanced if it does

teamgary · 07-21-2009, 12:19 PM

Nope.

teamgary · 07-22-2009, 09:26 AM

Updated...

bimjowen · 07-22-2009, 09:58 AM

I'd say this item is much more balanced now.

teamgary · 07-22-2009, 10:58 AM

Now come back and rate people.Adding credits.

doomsheep · 07-22-2009, 11:17 AM

it should be a non-recipe item like dagger. using gem as component is bad.

maybe it should give some small stat boost.

teamgary · 07-23-2009, 08:57 AM

Like lower the price alittle and add in ironwood branch?

fruta · 07-23-2009, 08:59 AM

lol just add the ability on gem with longer cooldown

07-20-2009, 12:43 PM	#1
teamgary Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 312	[item]Gem of Mystic Gem of Mystic(icon below) Requires: Iron woodbranch Gem of True Sight Recipe(775 gold) Description:The Orcs high priests created a gem with a power to see through anything. Effects: True Sight +1 to all attributes (8 charges)Far Seer(Active) Far Sight(Active) Gives Sight of anywhere on the map. True Sight is inactive.Lasts 10 secs.aoe 650. Cd:30 Mana:100 Only one far sight could be active at a time Cannot be hold by couriers. Drops upon Death. Pros -Looking out for team clashes and gank. -Roshan in combat with enemy team. -Runes Checker -Look out for people Jungling -Gureillas attack(Surprise attackers) Ep.Yunero hiding in forest. Cons: -Waste of Slot -Drops upon death -No Stats Notes:The charges would decrease each time. Ep.1st time,8 charges 2nd time,7 charges 3rd time,6 charges 4th time,5 charges Minimum 3 charges. Each upgrade Makes 1sec cd and 5 mana cost decrease.Minimum cd will be 20 s.Minimum mana cost is 50.Each upgrade gives 2 stats. Changelogs: 21/7-Pros and Cons updated -Tried to balanced it -Preventing abuse of item by Tinker 23/3-Added alittle stats for ppl to benefit better Credits Bimjowen-helped rebalancing Rate it,T-up or down.If you need me to do some changes,post it here.Share your thoughts and suggestions Thanks Attached Images __________________ Thanks stacyzmom for the sig. Rikimaru and Axe favourite player! Gem of Mystic Johnny,the Peasant

Last edited by teamgary; 07-23-2009 at 09:12 AM.

07-20-2009, 12:55 PM	#2
warp0 Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 325	Re: [item]Gem of Mystic TBH I don't think DotA needs this item. That's really the only reason I have at the moment, it just is not needed to make the game better. I'm tired and don't ask for a better explanation this is the best I have for now. Sorry but just IMO T-Down. __________________ Special thanks to Longinus for the Signature

07-20-2009, 01:11 PM	#3
windowlicka Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 121	Re: [item]Gem of Mystic ^ I agree. Far sight is overpowered in a game like DotA, especially if it gives true sight. Far Sight isn't fun. In fact this item may be more or less mandatory for every game. Far Sight is invaluable for looking out for ganks, etc as you mentioned. The risk factor (drops upon death) in this case doesn't account for its power. T-Down, sorry. __________________

07-20-2009, 03:26 PM	#4
Mfunn Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Ether Dimention Posts: 253	Re: [item]Gem of Mystic gem usage in components is forbidden, far sight is forbidden too, you got it all wrong there __________________ Mfunn- justme ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Play Hard, Go pro

07-20-2009, 03:35 PM	#5
hateryx Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 70	Re: [item]Gem of Mystic The Far Sight ability is a good idea on a fog of war maps, but not on DotA. Relative abilities that can explore and reveal map areas like Summon Hawk, Watcher and Eyes of the Forest were even nerfed because it ultimately overpowers team counterattacks and attacks.

07-20-2009, 03:53 PM	#6
Aravis Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 1,118	Re: [item]Gem of Mystic T-up. I like it. It is a precious item as it drops upon death and yet gives some great map control. And it would not be that imba. Just take clocks rockets. about 10 sec cooldown and reveals for 10 sec. Same thing just that clock rockets take some time until the area is discovered ( even better as you can send them through forests and see the whole area!)

07-21-2009, 07:05 AM	#7
teamgary Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 312	Re: [item]Gem of Mystic updated pros and cons. __________________ Thanks stacyzmom for the sig. Rikimaru and Axe favourite player! Gem of Mystic Johnny,the Peasant

07-21-2009, 07:12 AM	#8
bimjowen Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 383	Re: [item]Gem of Mystic Step 1) Chen farms to level 11 Step 2) Chen buys Aghanim's and Gem of Mystic Step 3) Chen sits in base by fountain for the remainder of the game, spamming Ultimate and Farsight whenever the cooldowns are up, having a profound impact on the map without ever being in danger T-down

07-21-2009, 07:16 AM	#9
teamgary Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 312	Re: [item]Gem of Mystic I try to fix on that. __________________ Thanks stacyzmom for the sig. Rikimaru and Axe favourite player! Gem of Mystic Johnny,the Peasant

07-21-2009, 07:17 AM	#10
bimjowen Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 383	Re: [item]Gem of Mystic Make the recipe cost 1000, and make the Gem of the Mystic have 1 charge of Farsight, and if you want another charge, you have to spend another 1000. That's the only way I can see this item being "balanced," if item-based, instant-cast, global Dust of Appearance in DOTA can be considered balanced Edit: if this item has infinite uses with a cooldown, it'd be absurdly OP. It could have a cooldown of 600 and it'd still be OP, because Tinker would break it with Rearm

Last edited by bimjowen; 07-21-2009 at 07:23 AM.

07-21-2009, 07:37 AM	#11
teamgary Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 312	Re: [item]Gem of Mystic updated again.Now Tinker wouldnt abuse it.Tried to balance it. __________________ Thanks stacyzmom for the sig. Rikimaru and Axe favourite player! Gem of Mystic Johnny,the Peasant

07-21-2009, 07:53 AM	#12
teamgary Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 312	Re: [item]Gem of Mystic @bimjowen Thanks for the tips for rebalancing it __________________ Thanks stacyzmom for the sig. Rikimaru and Axe favourite player! Gem of Mystic Johnny,the Peasant

07-21-2009, 07:54 AM	#13
bimjowen Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 383	Re: [item]Gem of Mystic You're quite welcome. One last question -- does the Far Sight ability reveal invisible units? I'm hoping your answer is no, because there's no way this item could ever be balanced if it does

07-21-2009, 12:19 PM	#14
teamgary Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 312	Re: [item]Gem of Mystic Nope. __________________ Thanks stacyzmom for the sig. Rikimaru and Axe favourite player! Gem of Mystic Johnny,the Peasant

07-22-2009, 09:26 AM	#15
teamgary Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 312	Re: [item]Gem of Mystic Updated... __________________ Thanks stacyzmom for the sig. Rikimaru and Axe favourite player! Gem of Mystic Johnny,the Peasant

07-22-2009, 09:58 AM	#16
bimjowen Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 383	Re: [item]Gem of Mystic I'd say this item is much more balanced now. __________________ PM me for reviews. Be warned: I'll only give an in-depth review if I see potential in your suggestion!

07-22-2009, 10:58 AM	#17
teamgary Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 312	Re: [item]Gem of Mystic Now come back and rate people.Adding credits. __________________ Thanks stacyzmom for the sig. Rikimaru and Axe favourite player! Gem of Mystic Johnny,the Peasant

07-22-2009, 11:17 AM	#18
doomsheep Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,951 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [item]Gem of Mystic it should be a non-recipe item like dagger. using gem as component is bad. maybe it should give some small stat boost.

07-23-2009, 08:57 AM	#19
teamgary Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 312	Re: [item]Gem of Mystic Like lower the price alittle and add in ironwood branch? __________________ Thanks stacyzmom for the sig. Rikimaru and Axe favourite player! Gem of Mystic Johnny,the Peasant

07-23-2009, 08:59 AM	#20
fruta Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,598	Re: [item]Gem of Mystic lol just add the ability on gem with longer cooldown