Dagon Bloodseeker

[cRyPtWaLk3R]

Originally Posted by Pwntlolz

It's not like he's slark...

slark is actually pretty decent now.

I mean yes he used to suck, used to be one of the very few heroes I could never do well with. Until the buff/rework/change thingy. He now has all he needed, some fat, and now he is really quite good, and if you get even some momentum going its very hard for the opponent to turn the game around.

BS just sucks lol, sure you may nab a kill or two, but unless you are incredibly effective early-game and end by midgame, you just become useless....

Not saying he is top pick or anything, just a hero that could be used quite reasonably at the moment given his recent changes, just pros havent discovered him/risked using him.

BS is similar to heroes like huskar/sb, can absolutely dominate pubs in the hands of a decent player, but loses his effectiveness quite dramatically when there are better players in the game.

So why does BS suck?/his pros
-where is his damage?
-nice farming mechanismswaitno
-a single target silence
-nice ulti, but useless in teamfights unless you are already winning
-thirst can be a bitch

Even with +80% from using rage on himself, his DPS pales in comparison to nearly every other DPS carry.

[jsrnn]

You gain health when you ks.

For fun purposes it's OK.

[bpiviqd]

viable in terrible pub when you own so hard, but there are lot of better choice than upgrade dagon

[Pwntlolz]

Originally Posted by cRyPtWaLk3R

slark is actually pretty decent now.

I mean yes he used to suck, used to be one of the very few heroes I could never do well with. Until the buff/rework/change thingy. He now has all he needed, some fat, and now he is really quite good, and if you get even some momentum going its very hard for the opponent to turn the game around.

BS just sucks lol, sure you may nab a kill or two, but unless you are incredibly effective early-game and end by midgame, you just become useless....

Not saying he is top pick or anything, just a hero that could be used quite reasonably at the moment given his recent changes, just pros havent discovered him/risked using him.

BS is similar to heroes like huskar/sb, can absolutely dominate pubs in the hands of a decent player, but loses his effectiveness quite dramatically when there are better players in the game.

So why does BS suck?/his pros
-where is his damage?
-nice farming mechanismswaitno
-a single target silence
-nice ulti, but useless in teamfights unless you are already winning
-thirst can be a bitch

Even with +80% from using rage on himself, his DPS pales in comparison to nearly every other DPS carry.

Yes, he's good in pubs. So how is playing him in a mid-high leveled pub weird at all

[PuneetRJ]

I'd rather build a force staff instead of that Dagon. Even a janggo would do me better.

[sirky004]

why dagon?
just a waste of gold if you ask me

[kawumm]

Originally Posted by cRyPtWaLk3R

slark is actually pretty decent now.

I mean yes he used to suck, used to be one of the very few heroes I could never do well with. Until the buff/rework/change thingy. He now has all he needed, some fat, and now he is really quite good, and if you get even some momentum going its very hard for the opponent to turn the game around.

BS just sucks lol, sure you may nab a kill or two, but unless you are incredibly effective early-game and end by midgame, you just become useless....

Not saying he is top pick or anything, just a hero that could be used quite reasonably at the moment given his recent changes, just pros havent discovered him/risked using him.

BS is similar to heroes like huskar/sb, can absolutely dominate pubs in the hands of a decent player, but loses his effectiveness quite dramatically when there are better players in the game.

So why does BS suck?/his pros
-where is his damage?
-nice farming mechanismswaitno
-a single target silence
-nice ulti, but useless in teamfights unless you are already winning
-thirst can be a bitch

Even with +80% from using rage on himself, his DPS pales in comparison to nearly every other DPS carry.

idk about slark.. the stats-steal nerf was quite heavy imho. yes, he has an easier time surviving, but his attacks have less impact :/ not a lot better compared to when he was released imo.

BS:
-ye well he hits a bit better than non-dps heroes at least :/ agreed
-bloodbath IS a nice farming mech.
-yup. really fails if u compare it to crippling fear if used offensively, its only saving grace is that it works as a self-buff as well - sadly thats highly situational
-wouldnt go that far, its also pretty good if u catch someone with bad positioning (huge casting range) or keep someone from backing off (u dont really need to be winning the fight for some opponent to drop low)
-well.. yes :P

basically agreed on those points, but bloodraging self gives SICK dmg; he can outdmg quite a fucking lot of heroes with something semi-offensive like just an sny and phase/treads. srsly.

its just the numerous problems that arise by bloodraging self.
a) retarded casting animation. can hardly be used pre-emptively cuz u cant use rupture after.
b)melee dps = kinda fail
c) melee dps that wont get close to anything unless its low hp = even more fail
d) although i like the idea of seeker being unable to use BKB effectively for gameplay reasons (i like the idea of tanking via bloodbath and some other defensive items): balancewise it doesnt really help that he isnt able to use his steroid under BKB - which would basically cover the problem of point e)
e) wasting silence

imho bloodrage needs an innovative buff - like ppl hit by a bloodraged seeker get silenced or sumthing. and mb a srs drop on the manacost from lvl 3 onwards, so its a good tool to speed up neuting without going oom instantly.

[Trew]

^just remove his casting upswing and bs is pick/ban material.

[kawumm]

^dont think thatll be enough... it would help and would be certainly make him more usable - but hed still be what he is now, a counter to some annoying fags like weaver; hence to situational to be worth a pick/ban (hed see more last picks at best)

[beetin]

^It would be huge.

[LysanderXonora]

Originally Posted by beetin

^It would be huge.

Yes it will. Many a times I died coz BS saw fit to expose his armpits and instead of attacking.

[SuperSheep]

If you are not Doomsheep, then do not build dagon.

[feral_nature]

i dont like fancy stuff, instead i prefer more practical items in terms of ehp and dps. my usual core will be something like treads, wand, pms, hood(vanguard if lack of nukers) and then farm into butterfly.

[LysanderXonora]

In pubs. Wards are really important for bs. Helps you find single targets to pick off easily. Also get force over Dagon.