Developer's Blog
Register Low Fi Mark Forums Read

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 04-09-2012, 05:29 AM   #1
xBeelzebub
Member
 
xBeelzebub's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,075
xBeelzebub is offline

Default can huskar kill himself with his ult?


like if he had 5 hp and I had 150, and he ulted me, would the damage kill him?
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2012, 05:37 AM   #2
iGhOsT.East
Member
 
iGhOsT.East's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: NC
Posts: 524
iGhOsT.East is offline
Default Re: can huskar kill himself with his ult?

He removes his own health based on a PERCENT. So if you are Huskar and have 5 hp and ulted you would be left with:

5hp x (.75) = 3.75hp

Meaning 25% of 5 is 1.25
Meaning 75% of 5 is 3.75 so you would pay 1.25hp to cast it.


This is based on a level 3 Lifebreak.

Scenario 2:

You have 4hp
You pay 25%, so 25% of 4 is 1. So, in this case Huskar would pay 1hp and would be left with 3hp after casting level 3 Lifebreak.

As far as math is concerned, paying 25, 50, or 75% of 1 will always equal SOMETHING and I believe Warcraft rounds that back up to a 1 since it is still a numeric value.
__________________

  Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2012, 05:59 AM   #3
Shadowlurker
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: confirmed. Sending Supplies.
Posts: 3,971
Blog Entries: 6
Shadowlurker is offline
Default Re: can huskar kill himself with his ult?

With the right circumstances, I believe so. I forget what it was, Level 4 - Soul Catcher, Blademail, Ghost Scepter?
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2012, 06:04 AM   #4
iGhOsT.East
Member
 
iGhOsT.East's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: NC
Posts: 524
iGhOsT.East is offline
Default Re: can huskar kill himself with his ult?

Ah, I was going straight math. I didn't take into consideration Warcraft mechanics.
__________________

  Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2012, 06:06 AM   #5
Heraklinos
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Chieng Mai, Thailand
Posts: 771
Heraklinos is offline
Default Re: can huskar kill himself with his ult?

Quote:
Originally Posted by iGhOsT.East View Post
As far as math is concerned, paying 25, 50, or 75% of 1 will always equal SOMETHING and I believe Warcraft rounds that back up to a 1 since it is still a numeric value.
WC3 doesn't behave like what you believe, it uses real number to calculate, not integer.

OT: Huskar can kill himself with his ulti but only with an extreme scenario like having less than 1 HP but greater than 0.405 (about 0.6 would be sufficient at ulti lvl 1 and normal magic resistance).
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2012, 06:35 AM   #6
beetin
Member
 
beetin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 4,316
beetin is offline
Default Re: can huskar kill himself with his ult?

Confirming it is technically possible through 0.405 hp = death silliness but grossly unlikely.

Huskars ulti does magic damage, He needs to have:

0.35*2.86 = 1 at level 1
0.3*3.33 = 1 at level 2
0.25*4 = 1 at level 3

So he needs to have 2.86 magic amplification on him as a minimum. Note that most sources (soul catcher, dirge ulti, etc) won't work as these deal seperate damage sources and thus huskar wouldn't be dealing the killing blow to himself.

Ice vortex, natural order, ancient seal, decrepify is as high as I believe you could get. That is only 1.25*0.75*1.44*1.36*1.26 = 2.31.

So there is currently no way (unless I forgot an ability) to have enough magic amplification to suicide through huskars ulti except that rare exception.
__________________
How to play Dota... How not to play Dota.

Pick your hero... Pick everyone else's hero.
Pick your lane... Pick everyone else's lane.
Pick your items... Pick everyone else's items.
Farm... Complain about others farm.
Talk to your team... Talk to both teams.
Ping where you're going... Ping where you died.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2012, 07:44 AM   #7
Erios
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Me too!
Posts: 3,731
Blog Entries: 1
Erios is offline
Default Re: can huskar kill himself with his ult?

Quote:
Originally Posted by beetin View Post
Confirming it is technically possible through 0.405 hp = death silliness but grossly unlikely.

Huskars ulti does magic damage, He needs to have:

0.35*2.86 = 1 at level 1
0.3*3.33 = 1 at level 2
0.25*4 = 1 at level 3

So he needs to have 2.86 magic amplification on him as a minimum. Note that most sources (soul catcher, dirge ulti, etc) won't work as these deal seperate damage sources and thus huskar wouldn't be dealing the killing blow to himself.

Ice vortex, natural order, ancient seal, decrepify is as high as I believe you could get. That is only 1.25*0.75*1.44*1.36*1.26 = 2.31.

So there is currently no way (unless I forgot an ability) to have enough magic amplification to suicide through huskars ulti except that rare exception.
Veil. Also decrepify is 1.4 not 1.44.

With veil it goes to 2.811375, so still not enough.

Berserker should put this up enough though.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2012, 08:32 AM   #8
gilvert
Member
 
gilvert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 4,522
Blog Entries: 2
gilvert is offline
Default Re: can huskar kill himself with his ult?

hey do you guys take into consideration the magic immunity lifebreak gives upon casting?

i guess it can be done by mask of madness (if it isn't removed from the magic immunity) or as beetin said, natural order and ice vortex (decrepify/ghost scepter should be removed when the magic immunity is given)

iirc veil can be removed by magic immunity, or am i wrong?
__________________

Wall of Text
This IS an ability.

  Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2012, 09:25 PM   #9
EebstertheGreat
Forum Staff
 
EebstertheGreat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Cleveland, OH
Steam: eebsterthegreat
Posts: 9,642
EebstertheGreat is offline
Default Re: can huskar kill himself with his ult?

Huskar can kill himself at any level with his ultimate due to, as you put it, the "0.405 silliness," even with high spell resistance. If however his hp is much more than that, it is pretty difficult (but if you suppose he has MoM, Veil, ethereal, NO, Ancient Seal and lvl 1 ult, then that works out to 0.75 * 1.30 * 1.25 * 1.40 * 1.26 * 1.36 * 0.35 = 1.0233405, so he will die regardless of his current life if he has no other damage prevention/reduction abilities).
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2012, 01:37 AM   #10
omgwtfbbqsauce
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 30
omgwtfbbqsauce is offline
Default Re: can huskar kill himself with his ult?

Health removed from himself from his ult is based on his current health. It is removed as a percent. So metaphorically speaking if he used his ult with 100 hp and it takes away 50% of his hp then he would have 50 hp left. ANd if he used it with 2 hp then he would have 1 hp left. No whole number can be taken down to zero if multiplied by a positive fraction.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2012, 03:27 AM   #11
chukky-jr
Member
 
chukky-jr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,110
Blog Entries: 3
chukky-jr is offline
Default Re: can huskar kill himself with his ult?

Quote:
Originally Posted by omgwtfbbqsauce View Post
Health removed from himself from his ult is based on his current health. It is removed as a percent. So metaphorically speaking if he used his ult with 100 hp and it takes away 50% of his hp then he would have 50 hp left. ANd if he used it with 2 hp then he would have 1 hp left. No whole number can be taken down to zero if multiplied by a positive fraction.
unless the game needs you to die at 0.405 , not zero
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2012, 03:48 AM   #12
beetin
Member
 
beetin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 4,316
beetin is offline
Default Re: can huskar kill himself with his ult?

Quote:
Originally Posted by chukky-jr View Post
unless the game needs you to die at 0.405 , not zero
Or there was some way to amplify that 35% to get it to 100%. But numbers can't do that.....

He clearly didn't read any of the posts. Let it go.

Quack Quack I'd say.
__________________
How to play Dota... How not to play Dota.

Pick your hero... Pick everyone else's hero.
Pick your lane... Pick everyone else's lane.
Pick your items... Pick everyone else's items.
Farm... Complain about others farm.
Talk to your team... Talk to both teams.
Ping where you're going... Ping where you died.
  Reply With Quote
Reply
  Defense of the Ancients Advanced Mechanics


Forum Jump

Thread Tools