Codeability of shared cooldown

Domenico · 03-17-2012, 07:53 AM

Not sure if this is correct section to post this question, but well...

Is there a way of making 2 abilities of a single unit/hero to share a cooldown? I mean, when casting one ability will cause both "CD-linked" abilities to go on CD for the time set (and go off CD simultaneously later).

If it's possible, what are conditions for it?

Should those abilities be related to each other in some way or maybe we can make totally different abilities to share a CD?

Should those abilities have the same CD time?

BooBoox3 · 03-17-2012, 10:27 AM

I don't know a thing about coding but I've seen skills in other maps with shared cooldown so I think it's possible. I can't think of a specific map though since it's been years since i've touched them.

Also the fortification ability between the circles shares cd right? (haven't played dota1 in a while)

SugaSutA · 03-17-2012, 10:39 AM

^I believe the fortification part is true.

Other than that, I honestly can't think of anything that works on the same line; not in DotA and not in any other game~

Glowackos · 03-17-2012, 11:26 AM

The only proper way of making skills go into cd is to cast them.

Just make the skills dummy abilities (they themselves do nothing when cast, but then you have code that detects when they are cast and this code does everything you want). When one of the abilities is cast, immediately cast the other ability, using a bool to prevent the second ability's code from executing.

Also, this belongs in the programming forum.

e: fixed :P

crinckle · 03-17-2012, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Glowackos

Skills with the same order id will go into cd simultaneously, however this is messy so avoid it.

The only proper way of making skills go into cd is to cast them.

Just make the skills dummy abilities (they themselves do nothing when cast, but then you have code that detects when they are cast and this code does everything you want). When one of the abilities is cast, immediately cast the other ability, using a bool to prevent the second ability's code from executing.

Also, this belongs in the programming forum.

Skills with same order id do not go into cd together. I have tried it, only one goes into cooldown at one time.
So, the second method seems to be the only one, but I see some problems. First of all, the cast point of the unit should be 0, otherwise the player can cancel the ability from being cast (as well as stuns can). Also, it will cause problems if the unit gets silenced after casting first ability (eg. Silencer's aura).

MauranKilom · 03-17-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by crinckle

Skills with same order id do not go into cd together. I have tried it, only one goes into cooldown at one time.

If they share the same order id, your hero will try to cast all of them if you use any of them.

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Originally Posted by crinckle

So, the second method seems to be the only one, but I see some problems. First of all, the cast point of the unit should be 0, otherwise the player can cancel the ability from being cast (as well as stuns can). Also, it will cause problems if the unit gets silenced after casting first ability (eg. Silencer's aura).

Use something like windwalk as a base ability (so it can't be interrupted by pressing stop, will be cast instantly etc.). Although I'm not sure if it would work Last Word. That'd be fixed easily though.

Also, for mana cost, just give the unit the needed mana to cast the second ability. Shouldn't be a problem.

SoletLuna · 03-17-2012, 03:10 PM

Moved to Programming.

Unnamed_ · 03-17-2012, 03:34 PM

Disable the ability for the duration.

If the abilities are to have different cooldowns, you need to specify the "disable" time for each ability cast.

O_xD · 03-17-2012, 04:06 PM

Or use a dummy ability that gets "cast" and shown when the other gets into effect?

Sly_theK1ng · 03-20-2012, 01:29 PM

to run into cooldown - uncodable
to disable for a period of time -codable (jsut like doom's first->it gets disabled when it is cast untill devoured unit is dead)

WaremDarkslayer · 04-12-2012, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly_theK1ng

to run into cooldown - uncodable

To be exact, this is uncodable ONLY on JASS/vJASS.Generally, it is codable otherwise WoW wouldn't have it.

MauranKilom · 04-12-2012, 07:03 PM

^And how does that help? We don't want to code it in WoW, but in DotA/wc3.

Sonic · 04-17-2012, 10:30 AM

No, it's not codeable

Sly_theK1ng · 04-17-2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by WaremDarkslayer

To be exact, this is uncodable ONLY on JASS/vJASS.Generally, it is codable otherwise WoW wouldn't have it.

03-17-2012, 07:53 AM	#1
Domenico Forum Staff Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 8,391	Codeability of shared cooldown Not sure if this is correct section to post this question, but well... Is there a way of making 2 abilities of a single unit/hero to share a cooldown? I mean, when casting one ability will cause both "CD-linked" abilities to go on CD for the time set (and go off CD simultaneously later). If it's possible, what are conditions for it? Should those abilities be related to each other in some way or maybe we can make totally different abilities to share a CD? Should those abilities have the same CD time? __________________ Signature Me when browsing DC "The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments." — Friedrich Nietzsche ------------------------------------------ Note that I have that infamous edit-a-lot-after-posting syndrome.

03-17-2012, 10:27 AM	#2
BooBoox3 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,688	Re: Codeability of shared cooldown I don't know a thing about coding but I've seen skills in other maps with shared cooldown so I think it's possible. I can't think of a specific map though since it's been years since i've touched them. Also the fortification ability between the circles shares cd right? (haven't played dota1 in a while) __________________ Bronze scum unite! \o/

03-17-2012, 10:39 AM	#3
SugaSutA Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Hotass red dot Posts: 7,113 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Codeability of shared cooldown ^I believe the fortification part is true. Other than that, I honestly can't think of anything that works on the same line; not in DotA and not in any other game~ __________________ Oh wait, there're coins? DOTA 2 MARKET DISCUSSION

03-17-2012, 11:26 AM	#4
Glowackos Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 453	Re: Codeability of shared cooldown The only proper way of making skills go into cd is to cast them. Just make the skills dummy abilities (they themselves do nothing when cast, but then you have code that detects when they are cast and this code does everything you want). When one of the abilities is cast, immediately cast the other ability, using a bool to prevent the second ability's code from executing. Also, this belongs in the programming forum. e: fixed :P __________________ Play YouTD!

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03-17-2012, 03:10 PM	#7
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03-17-2012, 03:34 PM	#8
Unnamed_ Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 5,654	Re: Codeability of shared cooldown Disable the ability for the duration. If the abilities are to have different cooldowns, you need to specify the "disable" time for each ability cast.

03-17-2012, 04:06 PM	#9
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03-20-2012, 01:29 PM	#10
Sly_theK1ng Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Croatia Posts: 3,618	Re: Codeability of shared cooldown to run into cooldown - uncodable to disable for a period of time -codable (jsut like doom's first->it gets disabled when it is cast untill devoured unit is dead) __________________ My Siggie DotA 2 trade steam acc: p4m.F4llenKing cya in dota 2 Earthshaker war [H]pudge hook[W]10 keys (add me on stema to trade, nick is in first tab of signature)

04-17-2012, 10:30 AM	#13
Sonic Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Everywhere Posts: 997	Re: Codeability of shared cooldown No, it's not codeable