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Old 04-16-2012, 03:12 PM   #1
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Default Buffs for Bristleback



Bristleback is an awesome hero concept that sadly goes out of power too early. Requires decent skills to play but doesn't justify giving him gold and experience. My remake will aim to make him better.


Attack Animation: 0.4 / 0.3
Damage: 52 - 62
Casting Animation: 0.4 / 0.51
Armor: 3.38
Base Attack Time: 1.7
Movespeed: 295
Missile Speed: Instant
Attack Range: 128 (melee)
Sight Range: 1800 / 800
Strength
22 + 2.2
Agility
17 + 1.8
Intelligence
14 + 2.8


Changes in Red.
Attack Animation: 0.4 / 0.3
Damage: 52 - 62
Casting Animation: 0.2 / 0.1
Armor: 3.38
Base Attack Time: 1.7
Movespeed: 300
Missile Speed: Instant
Attack Range: 128 (melee)
Sight Range: 1800 / 800
Strength
22 + 2.6
Agility
17 + 1.8
Intelligence
18 + 2.4

I have buffed his casting pointBecause he casts quite a lot and having such a long casting point is really disruptive., given him normal movespeedEven with the stacks from his ultimate there are heroes that are faster in general with less effort. 5 ms is not that much. and given little buffs to Strength0.4 Strength per level is 11.6 Strength more at level 25, or 209 more HP and Intelligence3 more starting because he can't cast more than 3-4 times in a lane in earlier levels and reduced gain by 0.4, which is basically what I added to Strength growth - results in 11.6 Intelligence less(or 8.6 because of starting bonus), or 104 less mana at level 25..

There are other ideas I have, but those will be too much. for now simple changes in stats would be enough for him to see some play.
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Old 04-16-2012, 03:28 PM   #2
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I prefer removing the damage cap on Quil Spray
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Old 04-16-2012, 05:31 PM   #3
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Default Re: Buffs for Bristleback

That was the case 4-5 years ago and the hero was unbalanced.

I need more opinions.
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Old 04-16-2012, 06:10 PM   #4
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Default Re: Buffs for Bristleback

I like this, the strength buff and cast animation is sorely needed.

I don't really like the int buff though, he already has an excess of it by the time midgame comes around.
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Old 04-16-2012, 06:47 PM   #5
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Since I hate riki and this hero is his perfect counter I say T-up till the skies...he is also underpicked and pretty much rarely used...
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Old 04-17-2012, 12:04 AM   #6
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I like this, the strength buff and cast animation is sorely needed.

I don't really like the int buff though, he already has an excess of it by the time midgame comes around.
Well, the buffs are just a point out in the right direction. Giving him more starting Intelligence will give him more power in the first 3-4 levels in the lane without giving him too much mana later. Buffing his gain wouldn't have helped him in early game and that's when he struggles the most because of lack of mana pool.

I thought about making his skills not add charges to Magic Stick but that is too powerful.
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Old 04-17-2012, 02:36 AM   #7
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I like this, the strength buff and cast animation is sorely needed.

I don't really like the int buff though, he already has an excess of it by the time midgame comes around.
I think we should nerf his int growth and buff his base int. Maybe 22 + 2.2 is good.
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:54 AM   #8
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Default Re: Buffs for Bristleback

FINALLY someone realizes that the buff he ACTUALLY NEEDS is to increase his strength gain.

he doesnt need an int buff he needs an int tweak. lower his int gain if you're going to increase the starting (but not too terribly much)
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:59 AM   #9
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Solid suggestion. Thumbs up.

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Old 04-17-2012, 09:04 AM   #10
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Default Re: Buffs for Bristleback

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Well, the buffs are just a point out in the right direction. Giving him more starting Intelligence will give him more power in the first 3-4 levels in the lane without giving him too much mana later. Buffing his gain wouldn't have helped him in early game and that's when he struggles the most because of lack of mana pool.
Yeah, but the point is that his int is still too high by midgame. It's just plain excessive.

CSDT actually nailed it. The base can be buffed, but the gain needs to drop. He's getting better >_>
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:45 AM   #11
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Default Re: Buffs for Bristleback

CSDT's idea is too big. We need to take baby steps. That much starting Intelligence will prove to be too pesky because his skills cost 30 and 35 mana respectively. He should have some freedom to cast his skills in lane, but not be able to spam them, since they are incredibly powerful early in the game.

Made some adjustments to the first post.
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Old 04-17-2012, 11:11 AM   #12
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Default Re: Buffs for Bristleback

good
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Old 04-17-2012, 12:19 PM   #13
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Sure. T-Up
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:53 PM   #14
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Default Re: Buffs for Bristleback

These are some pretty healthy suggestions. I approve.
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:02 PM   #15
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Casting point to 0.2/0.15 to preserve the ratio so that his cast animation won't look weird. T-Up to everything suggested.
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:20 PM   #16
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Default Re: Buffs for Bristleback

As BorisPeace- said, make it 0.2/0.15. And I completely T-UP this, much needed.
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:49 PM   #17
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The cast basckswing is what he does after he puts the skill in effect. I was considering making it 0, but I wasn't sure if that would have been too much.
0.05 seconds is not going to make much of a difference.
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:54 PM   #18
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Default Re: Buffs for Bristleback

honestly theres not much of a reason to change his cast animation. it hardly gives me any problems
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Old 04-18-2012, 05:55 AM   #19
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Default Re: Buffs for Bristleback

Dropping backswing to zero wouldn't have too much of an effect, any Bristle player that isn't retarded will be spamming their next move/attack during casts anyways.
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Old 04-18-2012, 07:07 AM   #20
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Default Re: Buffs for Bristleback

T-up for stat changes.

Bristleback needs more love.
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Old 04-18-2012, 03:06 PM   #21
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Bump for justice.
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Old 04-19-2012, 04:09 PM   #22
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Bringing back our favorite bacon in the game ?

T-up.
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Old 04-19-2012, 04:27 PM   #23
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Bringing back our favorite bacon in the game ?

T-up.
you know, because bacon is awesome, and the way BB is now, he doesn't do bacon any justice :L

T-up, much needed changes.
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Old 04-20-2012, 12:03 PM   #24
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I am very glad you guys approve.
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Old 04-20-2012, 01:18 PM   #25
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T-up for that, btw, why casting animation needs buff? I think it's pretty balanced enough...
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Old 04-21-2012, 01:37 PM   #26
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I don't find it a problem to spam right clicks after each cast, but it is really annoying. And it can be removed, which is why I'm suggesting it.
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Old 04-21-2012, 03:59 PM   #27
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I don't find it a problem to spam right clicks after each cast, but it is really annoying. And it can be removed, which is why I'm suggesting it.
That's how should it goes, goo the target, then spam right click in front of goo'd target. How's that hard?
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Old 04-22-2012, 10:09 AM   #28
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Old 04-22-2012, 12:09 PM   #29
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That's how should it goes, goo the target, then spam right click in front of goo'd target. How's that hard
He's not saying it's hard. He's saying it's a nuisance.
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That's how should it goes, goo the target, then spam right click in front of goo'd target. How's that annoying?
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:23 PM   #31
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Some of us aren't nervous freaks? Mouses aren't eternal? Pick one. The fact that you need to spam like a madman just to offset his awful cast backswing means it should be changed.

Anyone else that has an opinion on this one?
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Old 06-17-2012, 02:48 PM   #32
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Old 06-18-2012, 04:09 AM   #33
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Bump because i like it
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Old 03-09-2013, 11:53 PM   #34
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Like a ninja Necro I summon this from the depths of the ocean! It is still relevant.
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Old 03-10-2013, 01:01 AM   #35
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t-up he need some love
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Old 03-10-2013, 01:27 AM   #36
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T-UP BB needs this
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Old 03-10-2013, 01:40 AM   #37
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:07 AM   #39
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Default Re: Buffs for Bristleback

with dota currently being the stomping grounds of N'aix, I don't see him becoming a pick anytime soon, not to mention that burst is the name of the game atm.

Although I like buffing BB, these just are not what he needs. BB is a hero out of place, he needs farm, but there are WAY better heroes to have the farm with, namely, batrider, who's basically the same as BB, except alot better.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:32 PM   #40
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I don't think this is a valid reason not to buff the hero. Even if Naix is not in the game Bristleback is going to be underpowered. He needs some love because the concept is nice but his numbers are fucked up quite badly.
As for Batrider I can say the same. The idea of the game is to make as many heroes as viable as possible. Or we might as well go back to 6.54 where 15 heroes were overpowered as shit and the others were placeholders.
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