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Old 04-17-2012, 12:12 PM   #1
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Default Skipping Poison Nova @ level 6?


Level 1 Poison Nova doesn't do much damage and cost way too much mana. How about going for stats so you can spam more of dem wards?
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Old 04-17-2012, 12:14 PM   #2
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Default Re: Skipping Poison Nova @ level 6?

It can work. I like having the ult at my disposal, but it's not crucial. Your job at this point is still going to be Gale during a gank, otherwise ward the enemy tower.
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Old 04-17-2012, 12:28 PM   #3
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No, this is what makes you devestatign in team fights... and yes it actually does a ton of damage in a huge aoe.
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Old 04-17-2012, 12:30 PM   #4
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Default Re: Skipping Poison Nova @ level 6?

Not really, unless you are something like a safelane carry venomancer. Even then I would probably put a point into it.

Just don't level up the gale in most situations and you are good to go.
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Old 04-17-2012, 12:30 PM   #5
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Default Re: Skipping Poison Nova @ level 6?

Sure, it only deals 325 reduced damage, but its better then 2 stats.
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:39 PM   #6
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Default Re: Skipping Poison Nova @ level 6?

Depends on situation but 2 stats on veno doesn't make some big change either so take ult instead
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:46 PM   #7
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Default Re: Skipping Poison Nova @ level 6?

skipping poison nova @ lv 6 is ok, but its better for u to up the other skill than the stats...
all veno skills just awesome, so no need to up the stats while u can up the other skills.
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:47 PM   #8
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Default Re: Skipping Poison Nova @ level 6?

WHAT YOU DO IN THESE CASES IS BUILDING UP YOUR MANA POOL, NOT SKIPPING YOUR MAIN TOOL OF DESTRUCTION.

Also (and closely related to my previous sentence) if you're playing Veno for the love of God do yourself a favor and farm an Agha's scepter.

Jesus what the fuck is going on with people's brain these days?
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:57 PM   #9
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Default Re: Skipping Poison Nova @ level 6?

It does have a huge mana cost and level 1 is very weak nor is it even lethal so I guess it depends on the situation.
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Old 04-17-2012, 02:01 PM   #10
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Default Re: Skipping Poison Nova @ level 6?

325 damage on one target isn't great but it can easily hit all 5 heroes... and even on a gank against trilane that ult hitting 3 heroes can make a big difference.
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Old 04-17-2012, 02:05 PM   #11
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Default Re: Skipping Poison Nova @ level 6?

nice try, but gale, lvl 4 poison sting, and ulti essentially is guaranteed to kill just about anyone every cooldown

why not just focus on getting more mana earlier, or being less liberal (dont mindlessly throw wards around/spam gale)
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Old 04-17-2012, 03:13 PM   #12
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Default Re: Skipping Poison Nova @ level 6?

I usually skip it when I have had really hard time gaining any mana items to support venos poor manapool. If I can get atleast some cheap mana regen item (urn, ring, soul ring etc.) I get it.
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Old 04-17-2012, 03:19 PM   #13
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Level 1 Poison Nova doesn't do much damage and cost way too much mana. How about going for stats so you can spam more of dem wards?
I guess it doesn't deal an enormous amount of damage (total damage dealt comes out to 324 damage over 12 seconds), but I still like having it at my disposal like the first dude said, plus it does help toward finishing off heroes who get away with portions of their HP.

If you're really a stickler for efficiency, I'd say get Poison Sting over stats. Someone recently brought up maxing Poison Sting early for firepower. At first I was like "wha...? Venomous Gale is way more important since the slow is 10% at all levels of Poison Sting...". Then I realized that level 4 Poison Sting deals a total of 140 damage AFTER THE hit. While damage over time is always reduced somewhat by regeneration, and it's magical damage (meaning it's around 100 damage after reductions)...it's still a lot of bonus damage for FREE on every hit. Oh, the slow actually increases by 1% per level. Lol. But yeah go poison sting if you prefer to save your mana for Gale/Wards.
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Old 04-17-2012, 03:45 PM   #14
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Default Re: Skipping Poison Nova @ level 6?

If you don't have to worry about ulti mana cost, you can spam those wards just fine with just a basi, no need to take stats. I usually delay veno ulti until I have arcane.
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:06 PM   #15
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Default Re: Skipping Poison Nova @ level 6?

You guys are NOT going to believe this, but it turns out that 36 DPS for 12 seconds is MORE than 325 magic damage... INCREDIBLE I KNOW!!!
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:10 PM   #16
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nice tips
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:13 PM   #17
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Default Re: Skipping Poison Nova @ level 6?

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You guys are NOT going to believe this, but it turns out that 36 DPS for 12 seconds is MORE than 325 magic damage... INCREDIBLE I KNOW!!!
^Innate magic resistance. Duh!

P.S- If you dont get it. Every hero has innate 25% magic resistance, so Poison Nova actually deals 36-(36*0.25)= 27 damage/second.
therefore
27*12= 324 magic damage.

No reason to skip it though.
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:17 PM   #18
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Default Re: Skipping Poison Nova @ level 6?

It is amazing how I was once solo with Venomancer and unlike the normal Wards build I maxed Venomous Gale. So funny, after all it does humongous damage and is AoE. I leveld up my ultimate at and when I was level 7 I was ganked by 3 heroes. I got them with my 2 skills and had a tripple kill. Because those skills are so weak.
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:18 PM   #19
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Level 1 Poison Nova doesn't do much damage and cost way too much mana. How about going for stats so you can spam more of dem wards?
dont look at it as an individual skill so much as a part of the whole
combined with lvl 1 gale and max sting we're talking around 60 dps from spells alone

the combined combo (factoring in autoattacks) can do around 800 damage, and that's a conservative number of autoattacks

sure you can't immediately drop down 10 wards or another ult, but the ult is on cd and 5 wards are enough for me

his passive is good enough on its own lol
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:25 PM   #20
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Default Re: Skipping Poison Nova @ level 6?

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^Innate magic resistance. Duh!

P.S- If you dont get it. Every hero has innate 25% magic resistance, so Poison Nova actually deals 36-(36*0.25)= 27 damage/second.
therefore
27*12= 324 magic damage.

No reason to skip it though.
Not to nitpick but you're wrong.

36 x 12 = 432.

So 432 MAGIC damage over 12 seconds.

After the 25% innate magic res, it deals 324 DAMAGE.



OT: I like to get it but it's not a must. I usually have a magic stick or wand by the time I'm level 6 so I can usually get off a gale + ult quite feasibly. Just dont spam wards mindlessly and you wont really be oom.

Then again, focusing more on maxing poison sting is also quite viable considering how much damage it does.
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:29 PM   #21
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Not to nitpick but you're wrong.

36 x 12 = 432.

So 432 MAGIC damage over 12 seconds.

After the 25% innate magic res, it deals 324 DAMAGE.



OT: I like to get it but it's not a must. I usually have a magic stick or wand by the time I'm level 6 so I can usually get off a gale + ult quite feasibly. Just dont spam wards mindlessly and you wont really be oom.

Then again, focusing more on maxing poison sting is also quite viable considering how much damage it does.
Looks the same to me
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:31 PM   #22
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After the 25% innate magic res, it deals 324 DAMAGE.
that is the single greatest nitpick i have ever seen, lol
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:34 PM   #23
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that is the single greatest nitpick i have ever seen, lol
Ok I actually understood what he did there lol
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Old 04-17-2012, 05:14 PM   #24
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that is the single greatest nitpick i have ever seen, lol
uh that's a pretty important distinction, magic damage is special term with its own special meaning and shouldn't be misused like that.
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Old 04-17-2012, 06:28 PM   #25
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Default Re: Skipping Poison Nova @ level 6?

with the Gale-Nova combo, you have a chance to slow and attack the enemy... yet, or still, it depends on the situation.. sometimes I tried to use the combo, then it really works. a solo Gale is okay, yet, we must depend on poison sting while attacking. I haven't tried skipping Nova at level 6 because it was freaking helpful in every game... but remember, it depends on you and the situation.
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:10 PM   #26
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Default Re: Skipping Poison Nova @ level 6?

Okay I know wards are awesome and all but no need to lose sight of veno's other amazing strengths. 432 aoe damage is not insignificant at all.

/maxes gale at 7 and sting at 9. Don't underestimate the power of huge raw damage.
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:41 AM   #27
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Level 1 Poison Nova doesn't do much damage and cost way too much mana. How about going for stats so you can spam more of dem wards?
So when a teamfight breaks while you're level 6 you will do almost nothing during the clash? Also, if you get ganked at that level you can let your ulti loose and your allies can try and pick off the enemies. BTW, skipping ulti to get stats?
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:42 AM   #28
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Okay I know wards are awesome and all but no need to lose sight of veno's other amazing strengths. 432 aoe damage is not insignificant at all.

/maxes gale at 7 and sting at 9. Don't underestimate the power of huge raw damage.
A support veno cannot sustain a maxed gail at level 7. Keep gail at level 1, it has the same slow as a level 4 gale with significantly less mana cost. Get a point in sting and max wards at level 7.
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