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Old 04-25-2012, 01:10 PM   #1
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everytime i buy MoM on silencer people go all chat and say silencer with mom flame and shits. Ends up i win almost every game with it..

Dont see whats the problem
100%attack speed gain, its like 2 hiperstones
20% ms gain , more than sange yasha
i dont need the fucking lifesteal
i dont care for 30 %damage amplify-i either hit or getting killed, there is no third option

I have very good positioning and map awareness so i make full use of mom.

Usually i have drums forcestaf and blink to position myself to deal damage while not getting focused.

Thing is enemy team jumps in gets global silence and gets eaten up by 100+pure dmg glaives, 200 base dmg and MoM active.

So im askin u? Whats the problem?
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:16 PM   #2
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Default Re: MoM silencer

While lifesteal can be overriden by setting Glaives on autocast 30% amplified damage on you is the kicker.
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:16 PM   #3
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The problem is that the enemy Barathrum can charge you, activate his own mask of madness, use nether strike and kill you,
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:23 PM   #4
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everytime i buy MoM on silencer people go all chat and say silencer with mom flame and shits. Ends up i win almost every game with it..

Dont see whats the problem
100%attack speed gain, its like 2 hiperstones
20% ms gain , more than sange yasha
i dont need the fucking lifesteal
i dont care for 30 %damage amplify-i either hit or getting killed, there is no third option

I have very good positioning and map awareness so i make full use of mom.

Usually i have drums forcestaf and blink to position myself to deal damage while not getting focused.

Thing is enemy team jumps in gets global silence and gets eaten up by 100+pure dmg glaives, 200 base dmg and MoM active.

So im askin u? Whats the problem?
You should stop playing against noobs.
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:27 PM   #5
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Your only HP comes from Janggo and you're activating a MoM. Things should be killing you.
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:28 PM   #6
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i can provide d2 replays with proof of mom effectivness
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:28 PM   #7
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You should stop playing against noobs.
QFT.

'Sides, Silencer doesn't need much DPS with glaives. He needs survivability and no amount of positioning will fix that if you're playing against semi-competent people.
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Old 04-25-2012, 02:00 PM   #8
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everytime i buy MoM on silencer people go all chat and say silencer with mom flame and shits. Ends up i win almost every game with it..

Dont see whats the problem
100%attack speed gain, its like 2 hiperstones
20% ms gain , more than sange yasha
i dont need the fucking lifesteal
i dont care for 30 %damage amplify-i either hit or getting killed, there is no third option

I have very good positioning and map awareness so i make full use of mom.

Usually i have drums forcestaf and blink to position myself to deal damage while not getting focused.

Thing is enemy team jumps in gets global silence and gets eaten up by 100+pure dmg glaives, 200 base dmg and MoM active.

So im askin u? Whats the problem?
Red is your answer, also BKB> this build of yours. Lycan with just vlads+BKB would make short work of you.
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Old 04-25-2012, 02:09 PM   #9
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Red is your answer, also BKB> this build of yours. Lycan with just vlads+BKB would make short work of you.
There is now f. way that Lycan needs all those item to kill Silencer using THAT build !
He needs just to send his wolves level 4.
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Old 04-25-2012, 02:13 PM   #10
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the issue with silencer is that people get 1 nuke off before your aura hits them. an average nuke deals 300 damage and it's not impossible to die from the first round of those if you have mom on.
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Old 04-25-2012, 02:26 PM   #11
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Op sounds like that friend of mine who builds MoM on geo.
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Old 04-25-2012, 03:20 PM   #12
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MoM should be core on all capable players versus noobs in pubs. The situational benefits that item gives are HUGE. And as far as capable vs noobs goes, those "situational" benefits will be seen very often.

So unless you post replays of -cm, where you use this build to overpower equally skilled opponents, I won't be bothered with the likes of these suggestions...

Also, by the time you get "100 pure damage and 200 (LOL) base damage" with Drums blink AND forcestaff (Not to mention BOOTS AND MOM), those noobs you play should have long forfeited. Seeing as how you still have a slot left, I'd suggest DIVINE RAPIER, as obviously, if no one's hitting you, it is the best bang for your buck you could hope for.
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Old 04-25-2012, 03:51 PM   #13
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i can provide d2 replays with proof of mom effectivness
Replay or it didn't happen. Also, no replay of a 25 minute vlads Lycan in the jungle.

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Except that's the quality I expect >.>
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Old 04-25-2012, 03:59 PM   #14
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no. attack speed is the least of his problems.
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Old 04-25-2012, 04:12 PM   #15
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You will get 1 shotted. your dps won't matter if your dead.
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Old 04-25-2012, 04:56 PM   #16
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ok time to put an end on this
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Old 04-25-2012, 04:56 PM   #17
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i can provide d2 replays with proof of mom effectivness
So? Where are the replays? I am ready for some good laughs here.
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Old 04-25-2012, 06:26 PM   #18
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I thought you were gonna get MoM as a first item

Getting it after Str PT, Force Staff, Sheepstick and Janggo is meh imo.
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Old 04-25-2012, 06:53 PM   #19
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The problem is that you will mostly get focused or som1 who is passing will kill you like np so this could be effective only on outnumbered ganks where you would easily kill enemy without mom so this is risky build and it could be useful if you can rely on your teammates and stay out of trouble
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Old 04-25-2012, 07:06 PM   #20
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You should stop playing against noobs.
Yeah he is definitely pro enough to start joining top level games, MoM Silencer is just too pro, even for pubs. Wut. is dis.
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Old 04-25-2012, 07:12 PM   #21
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Seems feasible in certain situations. Very cheap DPS and movespeed to stay on a target. You also gain lifesteal while neutraling or freefarming.
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Old 04-25-2012, 08:13 PM   #22
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TBH I have not tried it, but since Silencer is a paper hero with a big "focus me" sign on him, MoM seems counterproductive. And if you're not getting focused, your team is probably winning anyway.
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:44 AM   #23
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silencer ahs shitty hp
putting a 30%dmg amplification
ur putting a kill em sign on u
1 riki blink strike 1 hit ur dead
point is that if even 1 enemy will be enough to kill u
ur job is to mess enemies combo not to put a kill me sign on urself or take focus of enem,y team
dead silencer=noob silencer
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:54 AM   #24
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It's quite decent at some point.

Your only problem is the 30% amplification done to you by MoM.

I suggest you get Vanguard/Hood->Pipe for survivability.
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:45 AM   #25
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The 30% amplification doesn't really affect this hero, because even if he gets focused WITHOUT it on, he's going to die anyway, with this item, you can get much more dps out before getting focused, which you probably will after a while.
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:36 PM   #26
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It seems that you are in a low pririoty
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:24 PM   #27
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I did watch the replay, and I can't say it's high leveled, based on the different cs I saw, and some very debatable item/skill builds.

However, Silencer did play correctly, but the point of MoM was kinda moot ; because of Drum, Force Staff and Kelen's Dagger (can't remember if it were bought before or after MoM), MoM's additional movespeed was virtually useless. As OP said, lifesteal wasn't a useful feature, so he got MoM only for the +100 IAS.

The problem is he got it so late (But after all, who would dare to get MoM on Silencer earlier ?), that he already had at least +50 IAS when he bought MoM. You may say multiplying your DPS by 2.5/1.5 = 1.67x is very cost-effective with MoM, but he could get something already quite good with Hyperstone, and he would never have any problem with focus fire.
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:32 PM   #28
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:53 PM   #29
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MOM is one of those items you can use on just about anyone as long as you have the survivability to deal with the extra damage.
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Old 04-26-2012, 04:34 PM   #30
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The 30% amplification doesn't really affect this hero, because even if he gets focused WITHOUT it on, he's going to die anyway, with this item, you can get much more dps out before getting focused, which you probably will after a while.
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Old 04-26-2012, 04:54 PM   #31
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Armlet doesn't give you the MS boostbut i think it might prove itselve a bit better in general but i must admit i haven't tried abusing the ms boost from MoM yet.
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Old 04-26-2012, 05:14 PM   #32
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with high ms he can orbwalk u till death, literally
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Old 04-26-2012, 05:16 PM   #33
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do u want more silencer replays,

got one with mom first.
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this one was epic no hex only mom and insane dmg
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heres one very playing on my brothers account as lns00mnia very insane dmg
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Old 04-26-2012, 05:20 PM   #34
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Sounds interesting.

Silencer dies either way if hes focused without an active ultimate.

IN his ultimate, very little can actually kill him if he has high speed, so MoM certainly could be useful. 100AS is fantastic for the price and you can still use the lifesteal to regain some hp lost when farming neuts or lane creeps.
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:19 PM   #35
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depending on the pub this isnt a bad idea
although why not get other IAS items?
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:22 PM   #36
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