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Old 04-30-2012, 02:11 PM   #1
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Default Medallion of Courage on SD.


What do you guys think about medallion of courage on shadow demon if you use the soul catcher build. It seems like a good item for him on paper I think. Armor gives you decent survivability and mana regen is also good. With soul catcher and valor the amplified damage is really good. So why have I never seen people use it on sd?
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Old 04-30-2012, 02:27 PM   #2
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Default Re: Medallion of Courage on SD.

I play Shadow Demon quite a bit, and always follow the Soul Catcher/Disruption build with a single point in poison, since poison just seem to make me play worse by confusing me.

MoC is indeed a great item for Shadow Demon, but I also very rarely buy it. The reason is simply I prefer an Urn rush on that hero. And with warding, chicken, boots, wand and not stealing too much farm, I probably wouldn't get MoC untill after the 20 minute mark. And since -armor is most powerful early on, it seems a little redundant at that point.

Tranquil Boots into Medallion seems very powerful, since your regeneration would be fixed so you can roam all you want, and all you have to worry on from now is bulk/utility. Probably wouldn't be enough mana regeneration for a poison build though. It still seems pretty solid.

If you're giving SD some farm, I would much rather rush a Guinsoo than MoC, but I tend to play him with minimum farming and lots of ganking.
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Old 04-30-2012, 02:28 PM   #3
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Default Re: Medallion of Courage on SD.

I agree that medallion can be good on SD, I just think other items are even better - urn's +6 strength I think comes out ahead in terms of adding survivability, and the dot/heal has more utility overall than the armor reduc. Plus, I don't think you really want to have urn and medallion both, since your inventory fills up fast if you're supporting, and if you want to semi you can't afford to keep buying tier 1 items.

I do think it's a close call though, and that it largely depends on who else you're running with and who is a more suitable carrier for these items.
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Old 04-30-2012, 02:28 PM   #4
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Default Re: Medallion of Courage on SD.

If I had to choose between Urn and Medallion, I'd make Urn. That said, Medallion is a great choice and even making both items is legit.
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Old 04-30-2012, 05:39 PM   #5
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Default Re: Medallion of Courage on SD.

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And since -armor is most powerful early on, it seems a little redundant at that point.
That's not true. Each point of armor increases/decreases EHP by 6% and that never changes throughout the course of the game. If anything, -armor is more powerful late-game when battles are decided by auto-attacks

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While it works certainly well; I would prefer to get things like Urn/Dagon/Necro that have a big more synergy abusing the damage amplification
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Old 04-30-2012, 05:45 PM   #6
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Default Re: Medallion of Courage on SD.

It's not a bad item on him. It also works well with your support for your carries.
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Old 04-30-2012, 05:52 PM   #7
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Default Re: Medallion of Courage on SD.

EHP increases by 6%, however that's not the exact same case with Armour decreases, but I'm not in the mood to search up a chart.

I often make both items. Medallion of Courage is a great item on many heroes, and Shadow Demon is no exception. It provides a wonderful Active, paired with Soul Catcher, it really packs a punch. And the stats are a great bonus.
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Old 04-30-2012, 06:09 PM   #8
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That's not true. Each point of armor increases/decreases EHP by 6% and that never changes throughout the course of the game.
If you calculate the percentage DPS increase armor decrease is better against enemies with low armor. For example, dropping an enemies armor from 6 to 0 is equivalent to a 35% DPS increase, while dropping armor from 20 to 14 is only a 19% DOS increase.
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Old 04-30-2012, 06:14 PM   #9
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Default Re: Medallion of Courage on SD.

The amplification potential does look great, I'd say we could opt for something like:

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as an early game core on him, it is fairly threatening on early stages, having a maximum of 30%(approximation) Physical Damage increase granted by MoC plus the damage amplification from Demonic Purge would feel like having an instant DD on ganks.
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Old 04-30-2012, 06:40 PM   #10
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Default Re: Medallion of Courage on SD.

MoC works really well with soul catcher and disrupt, and since i've always felt that other than a bottle and your boots, he doesn't really need much to start ganking, it's fine to get MoC over urn if you're looking for a bit more burst early, or maybe even get both.
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:15 PM   #11
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Default Re: Medallion of Courage on SD.

It is excellent choice for this hero

Unless you have a better carrier, pick it yourself
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Old 05-01-2012, 12:01 AM   #12
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Default Re: Medallion of Courage on SD.

Simply put: I m a fanatic medallion eredar and if you can't escape physical harass from illusions+catcher+ulti you are dead.Anyone dies to that combo.
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Old 05-01-2012, 05:15 PM   #13
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strategy to kill with the medallion is Razzor and atropos as one sleeps, the other steals damage, then it applies the medallion to wake and kill him to death. especially in level 1 .... dota problem???
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Old 05-01-2012, 05:18 PM   #14
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Default Re: Medallion of Courage on SD.

-Get an Urn instead for an organized game. You already have the massive +dps from the SoulC.
-Rod for pubs.
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Old 05-01-2012, 09:13 PM   #15
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Default Re: Medallion of Courage on SD.

Cool idea, I'm excited to try it out next time I play SD. He's such an awesome lane controller
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Old 05-02-2012, 10:44 AM   #16
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Default Re: Medallion of Courage on SD.

Adding the damaging urn charge for your 3 spell combo is sweet.
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Old 05-02-2012, 10:54 AM   #17
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strategy to kill with the medallion is Razzor and atropos as one sleeps, the other steals damage, then it applies the medallion to wake and kill him to death. especially in level 1 .... dota problem???
Kill him to death.
Dat reference.
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:20 PM   #18
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Default Re: Medallion of Courage on SD.

If you'll play a carry SD, I would love to use the medallion thing
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:41 PM   #19
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Default Re: Medallion of Courage on SD.

Sounds legit.
MoC does give mana regen after all.
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Old 05-02-2012, 10:10 PM   #20
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Default Re: Medallion of Courage on SD.

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-Get an Urn instead for an organized game. You already have the massive +dps from the SoulC.
-Rod for pubs.
how is rod even relevant? if anything, rod synergizes better with MoC as u get more EHP and illus/u have an easier time abusing the -armor via the slow. its too pricey to be comparable to both urn and MoC. id say tranq medallion + cheap stats -> rush vit booster is totally legit, albeit somewhat lacking in the early raw hp department.
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Old 05-03-2012, 12:02 AM   #21
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Default Re: Medallion of Courage on SD.

almost all heroes benefit from MoC
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Old 05-03-2012, 12:34 AM   #22
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Default Re: Medallion of Courage on SD.

cos you have watched with your eyes closed perhaps? I rarely see a decent shadow go without it... -5 armor hurts when two images are whacking on the target....
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Old 06-24-2012, 04:28 AM   #23
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cos you have watched with your eyes closed perhaps? I rarely see a decent shadow go without it... -5 armor hurts when two images are whacking on the target....
You mind linking some replays of a good SD using this build? Not at all trying to argue with you, just interested in seeing how a good player uses Eredar with MoC.
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Old 06-28-2012, 04:36 AM   #24
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Urn Medallion Dagon is good
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