[STR-SENTINEL] Todd, the Disgusting Bastard

[Lord_Talron]

Disgusting Bastard
Todd


The Disgusting Bastard uses his array of repugnant abilities to change the flow of combat and disrupt his enemies ability to perform effectively.


<Somewhere in Azeroth there is a secret fight club, and in that fight club there is a champion, rumored to fight in an unconventional style that cannot be countered. Todd is that champion and his style of fighting has earned him the title "Disgusting Bastard". Tired of fighting in the ring and thirsty for more action, Todd has brought his services to the Sentinel, whom after some convincing and plenty of clothespins, decided to accept his offer. Now he charges into the fray; downwind of his repulsed allies, who would be more than happy to relieve him of his duties if he just wasn't so damn effective...>

Corpse Smash


Notes:

• Doesn't require corpses nearby, Todd is always finding one somewhere!
• Uses the villager's corpse tossing animation.

Puke


Notes:

• Todd travels backwards at 800 ms.
• Initial damage means when a unit first touches the vomit. if they leave the aoe and come back they will take the initial damage again.
• DoT ends 3 seconds after enemies leave the aoe of the vomit.
• Standing in the vomit refreshes the duration of the DoT.
• Can be used to go thru cliffs, obstacles, and units.

Disgusting Bastard


Notes:

• Stagger checks to proc every second you are within the aoe. So for example, if you walk into 600 aoe of him, every second you are at least 600 units from him you will have a chance to be staggered and every time you attack Todd from within 600 aoe you have a chance to be staggered.
• Staggering about means that for the duration, the unit will be forced to travel in a random direction.
• Some instant cast abilities and items will work while staggering.
• Units attacking Todd will get double chance to stagger double the duration. Double chance is based on their current chance to stagger (600 range chance or 300 range chance).
• A unit can only be staggered once every 3 seconds.

Massive Fart


Notes:

• Staggering about means that for the duration, the unit will be forced to travel in a random direction.
• Some instant cast abilities and items will work while staggering.
• This spell ignores spell three's '3 second rule'.
• Visual effect only: if there is any grass in the aoe of the spell, it will disappear. Any trees in the aoe will change to trees without leaves.

[dreadlord10]

I love it.

[goron098]

concept of a "disgusting bastard" who vomits and farts fits no where in the DotA and DOTA 2 universe. Brings nothing new and is just a stupid idea for a hero. Would be better suited in LoL when 6 year old anime girl actually seems like a good hero concept.

[deathkidkun]

Originally Posted by goron098

concept of a "disgusting bastard" who vomits and farts fits no where in the DotA and DOTA 2 universe. Brings nothing new and is just a stupid idea for a hero. Would be better suited in LoL when 6 year old anime girl actually seems like a good hero concept.

Get over it, it's just a suggestion. In fact, I love the concept, it's good to have a few laughs once in a while instead of everything being dead boring serious.

[Lord_Talron]

Originally Posted by Shadowlurker

You really are one disgusting bastard, you know that?
stop makin me blush

Anyways,

Corpse Smash seems like a solid skill, I don't see any problems.
thanks!

Puke is weak on the Damage, since it's incredibly easy to walk out of it's Width. But I assume it's mostly used for positioning.
hmmm... ill discuss your concerns further down

To evaluate the skill, Disgusting Bastard properly, I'm going to need to know how often it checks for Stagger to proc.
stagger checks to proc every second you are within the aoe. so for example, if you walk into 600 aoe of him, every second you are at least 600 units from him you will have a chance to be staggered. hope that clears it up. ill try to clarify on the hero itself

I will not even comment on anything but the numbers, you sick, sick, man. It seems weak. At Level 1, it only deals 200 Damage, and causes them to run in a random direction (Which may or may not be useful.) for only 1.5 seconds. The visual effects seem broken, way too powerful. I think the cooldown is way too high, and a bit of extra damage would not hurt. 300 / 400 / 500 Damage?
i guess im treating stagger too much like a stun, ill buff the damage and the cooldown

Overall, it depends on how Stagger will work out for the player, as it could be useful or useless. I think he needs a buff, as he is a Melee hero, yet his skills are not good enough to compensate. Puke should have a Debuff rather than Damage, to be honest.
i dont think it should cause people to stagger, since ive already used that on two other spells. perhaps simply having the damage continue after leaving the aoe would solve the problems? let me know what you think.

Disgusting Bastard seems very irritating in the right circumstances, but as I stated before, I need to know when it checks for the Stagger trigger.
hopefully i cleared that up for you

His Ultimate has too high of a Cooldown in the early levels, and frankly, even at the later levels.
same

However, if it were to send the Enemy Heroes in the opposite direction, that might be a whole different story. And also, you do not talk about Fight Club.
i think i shall buff the numbers on stagger to make it a bit more effective, and buff his ultimate, ill wait to change up puke because i dont have any really unique ideas yet.

blargh

Originally Posted by goron098

concept of a "disgusting bastard" who vomits and farts fits no where in the DotA and DOTA 2 universe. Brings nothing new and is just a stupid idea for a hero. Would be better suited in LoL when 6 year old anime girl actually seems like a good hero concept.

if the same abilities were on an undead hero, you'd be fine with it. get over it, its a humorous theme with a solid skillset behind it

[Lindo]

A good hero.
But for his 1st skill : It looks imba. Increase the manacost and cooldown

[Lambon]

This is pretty good, lol.

[Ryugo]

I still have this doubt about "Disgusting Bastard".
What exactly procs the chance to stagger? If it just checks every second, it can generate some really odd scenarios.

Well, if you want real synergy with Puke, either increase its DPS AoE or decrease the "stagger" AoE of "Disgusting Bastard" and "Massive Fart".

I lol'd at the concept.

[Lord_Talron]

every second you are within the aoe you have a chance to get staggered. once you have been staggered it takes 3 seconds until you can be staggered again.


just think of it like this: you're playing a board game and every time it is your turn, you roll the dice to see if you lose your turn or not.

[IkeCrimson]

Love it lol hope its put into dota!

[Mlcrosoft]

yo bro when i post a thread with hero suggestion on this section it says that it has to wait for administrators approval, it been over 2 weeks my thread aint here. wtf?

[Ryugo]

Originally Posted by Mlcrosoft

yo bro when i post a thread with hero suggestion on this section it says that it has to wait for administrators approval, it been over 2 weeks my thread aint here. wtf?

We don't know yet.

E: I am still waiting for my new thread to be ~approved~. Maybe it is because I didn't wait enought (?) to post it after my suggestion - Ties, the Rune Hunter - was done.

But, two weeks already? That's pretty painful.

[BigBadBossDk]

Got a good laugh on it, I don't think the theme fits into DotA/Dota 2 but the spells and abilities can be used but using a different theme, ya know what I mean?

[FF_MikeRoch]

I was hoping hed have a spell where he sexually harasses another hero, but this is fine too.
Great concept, t-up.
(This could be Stithil or whatever if he ever becomes a hero in dota 2)

[deathkidkun]

Staswise and theming : So for a fighter, he seems to be a little slow doesn't he? Plus the starting damage sort of gives a carry-impression, but then let's take a look at the skills.

1st skill : Basically a generic slowing nuke, seems that almost every hero needs one of this to get kills without relying on item slows. Damage scaling looks quite smart though, starting off small (60) but managing to achieve the baseline nuke damage (300, that's what I think the baseline is due to the common 75 multiple scaling) at level 4. I like the non-scaling mana cost, probably since I'm annoyed with scaling mana costs that gets higher. Being a melee range shouldn't be much of a problem since he's already melee. Lore is good for some laughs. (Hmm, this is an arguably comment long for a simple skill...)

2nd skill : Although I have issues with it's super low mana cost, then again Todd isn't quite bright with a low mana pool. I like this skill, it's great for back-dooring, and assaulting with it requires proper positioning and all which makes it not so newb friendly. Damage-wise, to me this isn't really important except for farming as I pretty much think positioning is far more important. Great skill this one, good synergy with his first skill plus another ridiculous lore. Also good for some mind games, makes enemies you're chasing assume you're giving up running away until they see you flying towards them, backwards.

3rd skill : Quite a unique passive, pretty darn powerful too. Gives Todd great lane presence, possibility to completely sabotage the opposing team in a teamfight is quite high, supports his carry ability and makes him pretty hard to kill. Although this would pretty be his rushed ability as it is considerably quite weak with ultra low chances at level 1. Oh, and a 1 second stagger is not really weak since things could go horribly wrong if they stagger in their preferred direction.

Ultimate : This seems pretty luck based to me. If they so happen to stagger in the wrong direction for 4 seconds, it'll probably be quite disasterous since some instant cast spells still work. Could really wreck havoc if combined with Techies and such. Damage seems a little to powerful.

So all in all, I'm pretty fine with most of it, except for Puke's mana cost and probably his Ultimate. Also, I have questions on how would you like stagger's (ultimate) interaction with some items such as force staff, does it cancel out the stagger? If they so happen to stagger (3rd skill) the same time they're using force staff, will they somewhat change directions? Also, will the 3rd skill overwrite the ultimate's stagger since it doesn't follow the 3 second rule?

[Mono]

Originally Posted by Lindo

A good hero.
But for his 1st skill : It looks imba. Increase the manacost and cooldown

that looks imba, eh?
lets compare to tidehunter's gush:

120 mana 12 sec cd 4 seconds duration. Deals 260 damage, slows movement speed by 40% and reduces armor by 5 with a cast range of 700.

so with his 1st spell you're getting a shorter cd and slightly more dmg but it has melee cast range, 15% less slow, and no armor reduction.

for the hero: the concept is a little too childish for me, maybe more creative naming would make it appealing. though, isn't 'stagger' like that fiddlesticks spell from LoL? Kind of annoying idk

[Lord_Talron]

melee cast range is pretty key here. you're not going to land it without positioning.

[ZipFile]

Mb some evasion for addition? )

Nice one, teoretically can drop channeling spells.

A unit can only be staggered once every 3 seconds.

- change it for 2 seconds )

[Lord_Talron]

why? its a passive aoe disable...

[Arch5iv3]

i'ts kind like Fun hero