Soul ring interaction with abaddon (+other heroes)

[Redeemed A.I.]

Give abbadon the ability to use soul ring as a damage source instead of a direct hp removal.

Shield->soul ring->instant explotion
Ulti->soul ring->+150 hp

Edit: This can also work on other heroes as well,such as tidehunter,in order to increase his kraken shell counter.

Discuss.

[zwegat85]

It's HP removal for a reason.
If you change it for all heroes, keep in mind that it also gives you 150 of 600 damage to trigger Kraken Shell and you prolong the time by another six seconds.

T-Down.

[Redeemed A.I.]

It's hp removal so you cannot suicide with it.

Omni knight can use soul ring.It should work like this in all heroes.150 of 600 hp is nothing and tidehunter doesn't see any action at all.

[zwegat85]

Soul Ring does not trigger Kraken Shell at the moment, I said that because I see no reason to change this item just for one hero.
If your ultimate is on cooldown and you use it, then you could suicide again with it (eventhough you could do so with your other skill).

I agree it would synergize with his ultimate but where is the point to force this synergy while not changing the item for everyone.

If you change it to damage for everyone, it is possible to prevent suicide by triggers. Then I see no problem changing HP removal to pure damage for every hero since it affects not much heroes anyway.
T-Null in this case.

[Redeemed A.I.]

Wait so your problem is it could be abused to suicide?

[zwegat85]

Maybe I got this wrong but I thought you want to change it for Abba only and other ones still get HP removal.

Lol, I actually thought that it was your problem with the suiciding part but then I was about to say it can be triggered easily in case that would be the problem for you (for me it's neither a problem).

If it gets changed for all heroes, I don't mind.
So much misunderstanding :/

[Lama051]

When Soul ring was introduced I was like "Oh, perfect item for Abba, no more mana issues and shield will be even better" after couple of uses I was so pissed it didnt work.

T-Up for Soul Ring being a damage source on Abba

[MathsDebator]

Pretty obvious T-up.

[Redeemed A.I.]

Ok I think I should edit the OP.

[gofunkiertti]

How it should have always been. t-up

[Flame13]

T-up it is needed for this hero...

[juleocesar]

T-null. Not only for abba, but all other heroes should abuse from the suicide that this change will give to the Soul Ring.

Or maybe if you don't have the intention to suicide and just throw a fast ability that should be decisive. For example, i'm a Tiny and I'm being chased by two heroes and I within only 75 HP. I don't have mana, so I use the soul ring, my HP drops to 1 and I can save myself using Avalanche for interrupting the two enemies' chasing. Thanks to the direct HP removal I didn't die and I escaped from the enemies.

So, T-null from me, this change isn't only positive, as mentioned by me, there are other situations/questions that we should consider.

[Flame13]

^ Obviously enough we add it just like Armlet or shallow grave or dunno how but you won't die from using this item...aka makes suicide impossible but still not hp removal

[Redeemed A.I.]

Originally Posted by juleocesar

T-null. Not only for abba, but all other heroes should abuse from the suicide that this change will give to the Soul Ring.

Or maybe if you don't have the intention to suicide and just throw a fast ability that should be decisive. For example, i'm a Tiny and I'm being chased by two heroes and I within only 75 HP. I don't have mana, so I use the soul ring, my HP drops to 1 and I can save myself using Avalanche for interrupting the two enemies' chasing. Thanks to the direct HP removal I didn't die and I escaped from the enemies.

So, T-null from me, this change isn't only positive, as mentioned by me, there are other situations/questions that we should consider.

1]You still don't die from soul ring
2]It will work as a damage source so it can be "used" by other heroes,as I have mentioned in the OP.

Edit: typo

[silly_me]

Simple T-up from me.

[juleocesar]

Originally Posted by Flame13

^ Obviously enough we add it just like Armlet or shallow grave or dunno how but you won't die from using this item...aka makes suicide impossible but still not hp removal

Armlet is direct HP removal. But I don't know if is possible adding a damage source which doesn't kills you.
But, this is for all heroes or just for some heroes like abbaddon, Tide, etc?
If it's for all heroes, I hold my opinion....

[silvercover]

simply make it work like slark's dark pact. he receives damage but it doesnt kill him.
shouldnt be too hard.

[MathsDebator]

Also, would it dispel stuff like Salves and Clarities? Because that would also create interactions b/w Spectre and Dispersion, Axe and Counterhelix, Tresdin and passive, Visage interaction w/ passive, same with TA and Refraction etc.

[Redeemed A.I.]

Originally Posted by MathsDebator

Also, would it dispel stuff like Salves and Clarities? Because that would also create interactions b/w Spectre and Dispersion, Axe and Counterhelix, Tresdin and passive, Visage interaction w/ passive, same with TA and Refraction etc.

This seems awesome,but iirc counterhelix and tresdin's passive activate only via attacks.

I didn't think about Visage,but I guess that would be an ok buff (not imba buff since Visage is paperish,would make nice synergy with mechansm).

[zwegat85]

Originally Posted by juleocesar

Armlet is direct HP removal. But I don't know if is possible adding a damage source which doesn't kills you.

Easy triggerable. If hp <151 then setdmg = current hp - 1 (of course it's called different in JASS but the main point is the same) or a triggered heal is applied so it really deals 150 damage.