Buriza on Slardar. Viable?

[harusame-]

Originally Posted by AngryGanker

According to my calculations if you're fighting a 1500 HP enemy with 10 armour. Assuming you have your level 3 ulti on them, having a stygian reduces their EHP by a further 160. About a 7% decrease in their EHP. It might seem small but I don't know.

unit with 0 armor or below has the same EHP as its HP
unit with negative armor takes additional damage by the formula:
Damage Increase = 1 - 0.94 ^ (-armor)

so if you use lvl 3 amplify damage (-16 armor) and stygian desolator (-7 armor) on a target with 1500 HP and 10 armor
target's EHP got reduced to 1500 and takes 1 - 0.94 ^ (--13) = 55.2635% additional damage from physical attack

[Star_Saber]

The last item build I used went like Treads, Vanguard, Perse, Crystalys. All cheap 1.5~2.2K something gold tier items.

I guess Buriza is good choice for late game then.

[akurou]

its good as his 5th/6th item for me

[twizzle_NL]

I feel ac suits the job more than deso for slar, gives him -5 ARM aura, as to proc bashes and a huge amount of ehp bkb situational on him imho, as usually when playing him I want ppl to nuke and stun me after I amplified and crushed on target. Let their team blow all their powder on u while your team kills them

Edit: hotd indeed is superior over vlad if you're getting ac since the armour aura don't stack
I guess you should get one in some cases depending on team (if you're support with melee carry that osnt getting one

[AngryGanker]

Originally Posted by harusame-

unit with 0 armor or below has the same EHP as its HP
unit with negative armor takes additional damage by the formula:
Damage Increase = 1 - 0.94 ^ (-armor)

so if you use lvl 3 amplify damage (-16 armor) and stygian desolator (-7 armor) on a target with 1500 HP and 10 armor
target's EHP got reduced to 1500 and takes 1 - 0.94 ^ (--13) = 55.2635% additional damage from physical attack

I know this. By the way Stygian is -6 armour. Also I was looking at the difference between amplify damage and amplify damage + Stygian

[Khristophoros]

Originally Posted by CynthiaCrescent

It also removes Amplify Damage.

Purge for the slow before you ult then?

[Shadowlurker]

It still doesn't make it smart. You use Amplify Damage first because of the amazing Cast Range, and Sight it provides. If you get a Diffusal Blade, you will have to make sure Amplify Damage is off cooldown, so that you could use it right after Purge.

And plus, Diffusal Blade provides abysmal bonuses for a hero like Slardar. Feedback in general is pretty mediocre, and mostly used on Illusion Heroes. The reason why you get Diffusal Blade is due to its wonderful Active Spell, Purge. But there is no point, as Slardar has excellent Chasing Skills, and the Debuff from Purge is does not synergize with Amplify Damage. The ONLY reason you would EVER get Diffusal Blade on Slardar is if you were facing an Enemy like Warlock.

[Star_Saber]

Originally Posted by Shadowlurker

The ONLY reason you would EVER get Diffusal Blade on Slardar is if you were facing an Enemy like Warlock.

and if that's the case I would rather ask my ally Mirana to make Diffusal herself and allow myself to swallow a whole Infernal immolation combo in the meanwhile

unless it was an actual 1v1 game I wouldn't do it myself

[Lanther]

Sure,viable,but I don't see why you would get it when Slardar could make much more with attackspeed and piercing magic immunity.If somehow you are already very tanky and you need to carry,sure,why not.

[GASHOLE]

Originally Posted by Clam

I prefer to tank up with items like cuirass, heart and bkb before I buy raw dps on slardar.

You actually don't get BKB if you're planning to tank

[Lanther]

Originally Posted by GASHOLE

You actually don't get BKB if you're planning to tank

Slardar as a pure tank is something really bad,considering he has no EHP skills neither skills that give disadvantages by attacking him.It's much more effective building him as a secondary carry because of Bash and -15 armor.

[Pr4nk5t3r]

Originally Posted by CynthiaCrescent

It also removes Amplify Damage.

Not in Dota2

[Star_Saber]

Originally Posted by Pr4nk5t3r

Not in Dota2

lmao this game fails so hard it's disgusting.

[Thunderbolt]

this^^

[-MaVeN]

buy mkb its better than buriza for slardar..

[CynthiaCrescent]

Originally Posted by Star_Saber

lmao this game fails so hard it's disgusting.

+1

@Khris: sure

[armor_zero]

I can't believe no one mentioned Heavens Halberd for Slardar. The Strength for tanking, the maim and the evasion makes it one of the sickest item for him IMO. A lot would recommend vanguard but i feel it doesn't scale well in the late game like heaven's halberd would.

[Apokita]

Slardar is all about dagger+bkb+crystalis, if you can lifesteal like mad with your dominator too better..

[Khristophoros]

Originally Posted by armor_zero

I can't believe no one mentioned Heavens Halberd for Slardar. The Strength for tanking, the maim and the evasion makes it one of the sickest item for him IMO. A lot would recommend vanguard but i feel it doesn't scale well in the late game like heaven's halberd would.

It's a new item and nobody realizes how good it is.

Evasion + health on the same item is really awesome.

[EyeOfFire]

Originally Posted by Oliver5292

I buy buriza on slardar because the critical gives insane amount of damage on negative armor heroes.

Hyperstone for more bash chances.

What do you think of Slardar having buriza?

Dagger + Vladimirs + Threads + Buriza is the way to go.

Dagger, BKB and survivability items are far more important. And AC is usually the best follow-up damage item because it gives both more IAS for more bashes and more -armour which synergises with your ult.