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Old 05-11-2012, 05:13 AM   #1
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Default Buriza on Slardar. Viable?


I buy buriza on slardar because the critical gives insane amount of damage on negative armor heroes.

Hyperstone for more bash chances.

What do you think of Slardar having buriza?

Dagger + Vladimirs + Threads + Buriza is the way to go.
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Old 05-11-2012, 05:28 AM   #2
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Default Re: Buriza on Slardar. Viable?

HotD > Vlad's if you're not making another orb. An early Crystalis is decent on Slardar, but finishing Buriza is best saved until after you make AC or Mjollnir plus BKB.
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Old 05-11-2012, 05:47 AM   #3
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Default Re: Buriza on Slardar. Viable?

Buriza is viable on any carry that uses physical damage.
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Old 05-11-2012, 05:52 AM   #4
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Default Re: Buriza on Slardar. Viable?

I would honestly scrap Burzia-Do-Kyanon in general. Slardar is pretty tight on space.

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And the only item I would consider is Heart of Terrasque, since Slardar should be able to soak up a lot of Damage.
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Old 05-11-2012, 05:53 AM   #5
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Default Re: Buriza on Slardar. Viable?

I prefer to tank up with items like cuirass, heart and bkb before I buy raw dps on slardar.
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Old 05-11-2012, 05:58 AM   #6
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Default Re: Buriza on Slardar. Viable?

double crystalis then go HotD threads dagg hyper tarasq
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Old 05-11-2012, 06:06 AM   #7
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Default Re: Buriza on Slardar. Viable?

*sigh* I see the word viable and all that comes to mind is munchies......

OT: Personally I prefer tanking up with sladar, but if you are the primary carry, sure, why not.
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Old 05-11-2012, 06:09 AM   #8
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Default Re: Buriza on Slardar. Viable?

Wouldn't Deso give you the most damage output for the cost since it reduces armor even further?
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Old 05-11-2012, 06:11 AM   #9
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Default Re: Buriza on Slardar. Viable?

I don't want to go into depth, but in most cases, Amplify Damage is more than enough to get optimal amplification from Negative Armour.
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:09 AM   #10
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I don't want to go into depth, but in most cases, Amplify Damage is more than enough to get optimal amplification from Negative Armour.
I believe this is correct, unless your opponent has ridiculously high armour.
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:13 AM   #11
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Default Re: Buriza on Slardar. Viable?

The biggest increase in Amplification is when the Enemy has 5 Armour and goes to 0 Armour. So unless the Enemy Hero has more than 16 Armour, there really is no need to get Desolator.

And if you really want, get a Medallion of Courage. Same effect, better stats, cheaper price.
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:41 AM   #12
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Default Re: Buriza on Slardar. Viable?

maybe get crystalis +bkb first and finish buriza later. Problem is hes melle and will get stunned and wont be able to hit.
And hotd better than vlad cos u can dominate neutral + get satanic later
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:45 AM   #13
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why no one suggest desolator?
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:48 AM   #14
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Default Re: Buriza on Slardar. Viable?

Crystalys is a good item to start of and then you can get some other stuff until you complete it (same applies to Oblivion Staff, Yasha, Maelstorm and HotD).

If the game isn't over yet and you got your other stuff you can get Buriza.
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Old 05-11-2012, 09:59 AM   #15
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Default Re: Buriza on Slardar. Viable?

Way cooler idea: Diffusal Blade. The mana burn is Physical. Then get a Manta, all the images benefit from the reduced armor.

That's one stylin' Slardar build don't you guys think?

More OT: Tried Buriza Slardar against bots. Ultra kills and rampages were had. Seems like a lotta damage.
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Old 05-11-2012, 10:43 AM   #16
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Default Re: Buriza on Slardar. Viable?

What would be an average armour value that an average hero would have mid-late game? Because I find it hard to believe that the extra damage provided by a stygian or assault would be low
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Old 05-11-2012, 10:48 AM   #17
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Default Re: Buriza on Slardar. Viable?

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What would be an average armour value that an average hero would have mid-late game? Because I find it hard to believe that the extra damage provided by a stygian or assault would be low
Depends a lot. The int support would have around 10, the agi carry 25 (a dk would have more than 35). All those numbers depend heavily on farm and allied heroes (Lich, Lycan with vlads...)
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Old 05-11-2012, 10:56 AM   #18
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Depends a lot. The int support would have around 10, the agi carry 25 (a dk would have more than 35). All those numbers depend heavily on farm and allied heroes (Lich, Lycan with vlads...)
According to my calculations if you're fighting a 1500 HP enemy with 10 armour. Assuming you have your level 3 ulti on them, having a stygian reduces their EHP by a further 160. About a 7% decrease in their EHP. It might seem small but I don't know.
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Old 05-11-2012, 11:06 AM   #19
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Way cooler idea: Diffusal Blade. The mana burn is Physical. Then get a Manta, all the images benefit from the reduced armor.

That's one stylin' Slardar build don't you guys think?

More OT: Tried Buriza Slardar against bots. Ultra kills and rampages were had. Seems like a lotta damage.
It also removes Amplify Damage.
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Old 05-11-2012, 11:25 AM   #20
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Default Re: Buriza on Slardar. Viable?

Its viable but not the best item him for him u may get it as a last item tho but in general item luke dagger ac bkb is better
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Old 05-11-2012, 01:48 PM   #21
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According to my calculations if you're fighting a 1500 HP enemy with 10 armour. Assuming you have your level 3 ulti on them, having a stygian reduces their EHP by a further 160. About a 7% decrease in their EHP. It might seem small but I don't know.

unit with 0 armor or below has the same EHP as its HP
unit with negative armor takes additional damage by the formula:
Damage Increase = 1 - 0.94 ^ (-armor)

so if you use lvl 3 amplify damage (-16 armor) and stygian desolator (-7 armor) on a target with 1500 HP and 10 armor
target's EHP got reduced to 1500 and takes 1 - 0.94 ^ (--13) = 55.2635% additional damage from physical attack
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Old 05-11-2012, 04:54 PM   #22
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Default Re: Buriza on Slardar. Viable?

The last item build I used went like Treads, Vanguard, Perse, Crystalys. All cheap 1.5~2.2K something gold tier items.

I guess Buriza is good choice for late game then.
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Old 05-11-2012, 07:47 PM   #23
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its good as his 5th/6th item for me
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:40 PM   #24
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Default Re: Buriza on Slardar. Viable?

I feel ac suits the job more than deso for slar, gives him -5 ARM aura, as to proc bashes and a huge amount of ehp bkb situational on him imho, as usually when playing him I want ppl to nuke and stun me after I amplified and crushed on target. Let their team blow all their powder on u while your team kills them

Edit: hotd indeed is superior over vlad if you're getting ac since the armour aura don't stack
I guess you should get one in some cases depending on team (if you're support with melee carry that osnt getting one
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unit with 0 armor or below has the same EHP as its HP
unit with negative armor takes additional damage by the formula:
Damage Increase = 1 - 0.94 ^ (-armor)

so if you use lvl 3 amplify damage (-16 armor) and stygian desolator (-7 armor) on a target with 1500 HP and 10 armor
target's EHP got reduced to 1500 and takes 1 - 0.94 ^ (--13) = 55.2635% additional damage from physical attack
I know this. By the way Stygian is -6 armour. Also I was looking at the difference between amplify damage and amplify damage + Stygian
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It also removes Amplify Damage.
Purge for the slow before you ult then?
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Old 05-12-2012, 12:15 AM   #27
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Default Re: Buriza on Slardar. Viable?

It still doesn't make it smart. You use Amplify Damage first because of the amazing Cast Range, and Sight it provides. If you get a Diffusal Blade, you will have to make sure Amplify Damage is off cooldown, so that you could use it right after Purge.

And plus, Diffusal Blade provides abysmal bonuses for a hero like Slardar. Feedback in general is pretty mediocre, and mostly used on Illusion Heroes. The reason why you get Diffusal Blade is due to its wonderful Active Spell, Purge. But there is no point, as Slardar has excellent Chasing Skills, and the Debuff from Purge is does not synergize with Amplify Damage. The ONLY reason you would EVER get Diffusal Blade on Slardar is if you were facing an Enemy like Warlock.
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The ONLY reason you would EVER get Diffusal Blade on Slardar is if you were facing an Enemy like Warlock.
and if that's the case I would rather ask my ally Mirana to make Diffusal herself and allow myself to swallow a whole Infernal immolation combo in the meanwhile

unless it was an actual 1v1 game I wouldn't do it myself
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Sure,viable,but I don't see why you would get it when Slardar could make much more with attackspeed and piercing magic immunity.If somehow you are already very tanky and you need to carry,sure,why not.
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I prefer to tank up with items like cuirass, heart and bkb before I buy raw dps on slardar.
You actually don't get BKB if you're planning to tank
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You actually don't get BKB if you're planning to tank
Slardar as a pure tank is something really bad,considering he has no EHP skills neither skills that give disadvantages by attacking him.It's much more effective building him as a secondary carry because of Bash and -15 armor.
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It also removes Amplify Damage.
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buy mkb its better than buriza for slardar..
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I can't believe no one mentioned Heavens Halberd for Slardar. The Strength for tanking, the maim and the evasion makes it one of the sickest item for him IMO. A lot would recommend vanguard but i feel it doesn't scale well in the late game like heaven's halberd would.
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Slardar is all about dagger+bkb+crystalis, if you can lifesteal like mad with your dominator too better..
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I can't believe no one mentioned Heavens Halberd for Slardar. The Strength for tanking, the maim and the evasion makes it one of the sickest item for him IMO. A lot would recommend vanguard but i feel it doesn't scale well in the late game like heaven's halberd would.
It's a new item and nobody realizes how good it is.

Evasion + health on the same item is really awesome.
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I buy buriza on slardar because the critical gives insane amount of damage on negative armor heroes.

Hyperstone for more bash chances.

What do you think of Slardar having buriza?

Dagger + Vladimirs + Threads + Buriza is the way to go.
Dagger, BKB and survivability items are far more important. And AC is usually the best follow-up damage item because it gives both more IAS for more bashes and more -armour which synergises with your ult.
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