The Ufo Excavations are progressing

[Lord_Talron]

anecdotal:
(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research : while there was much anecdotal evidence there was little hard fact / these claims were purely anecdotal

oxford american dictionary. notice the emphasis on the unreliability of this type of evidence

[Pwntlolz]

Originally Posted by Kaiverrettu

Actually I always reserve upto 15 mins to edit my posts. There is a logical explanation as to why there wasn't any recordings of these overnatural disasters, wich you can see from my edited reply above; and it's basically the same reason why you don't want to believe in anything wich you cannot physically observe or see.

Unfortunately we're talking about the Egyptians. They wrote down motherfucking everything. Please, read through this
and tell me that it is possible for such a huge event as the death of a Pharaoh (aka a god himself) to be completely erased from memory. Hell, even if it was plausible it's still the Jews word against the Egyptians and well, there's no archaeological evidence for the Jews. They're on the burden of proof.

Nevertheless, even without physical evidence of the existence of God(if we talk Physical-physical, such as seeing God in person, like Moses did) one can clearly make the conclusion that God exists

and how do you come to that conclusion?

[Hey00]

Originally Posted by Pwntlolz

Unfortunately we're talking about the Egyptians. They wrote down motherfucking everything. Please, read through this
and tell me that it is possible for such a huge event as the death of a Pharaoh (aka a god himself) to be completely erased from memory. Hell, even if it was plausible it's still the Jews word against the Egyptians and well, there's no archaeological evidence for the Jews. They're on the burden of proof.

and how do you come to that conclusion?

Come on, you know that for him, he first has the conclusion "god exists", and then he writes bullshit trying to link facts, or absence of facts to it, simply dismissing what doesn't fit, which is nearly everything.

This is why for someone like him, one 2000 years old book, few drawings and stories and the absence of records saying "jews were not in Egypt", that kind of may fit in his conclusion, are worth infinitely more than centuries of science.

But still, I'm just amazed at how millions of people can blind themselves to that point of stupidity.


By the way, the Odyssey mention that there were sirens in the Mediterranean see. We have no mentions that there wasn't, therefore there was, and the Odyssey is completely true.

[Lord_Talron]

my car keeps zebras off my lawn. ask me to prove it you say? take a look on my lawn: do you see any zebras?

this is a logical fallacy.

[funnyfarm]

Originally Posted by Lord_Talron

my car keeps zebras off my lawn. ask me to prove it you say? take a look on my lawn: do you see any zebras?

this is a logical fallacy.

good to know, i have a zebra infestation problem on my property, now i know how to get rid of it.

[Kaiverrettu]

Originally Posted by Lord_Talron

anecdotal:
(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research : while there was much anecdotal evidence there was little hard fact / these claims were purely anecdotal

Well, we can't really go back to 2000 years to see if someone really healed can we, so we must be able to judge things based on anecdotal evidence of such claimed healings.

Typically if there is large amount of witnesses of a similar event, in court, that counts as valid evidence. I don't see how it would be any different here. Maybe in some silly atheists mind, but certainly not so for me(or the judge/justice system, upon wich our countries are all based on).

Moreover to the bible evidence, you also have me, who has told you about the personal change in life that the Christ has brought with him, so you really have no authority to go ahead dispute any of the claims in the bible, or done by me, you simply believe in them or you don't.

Originally Posted by Pwntlolz

Unfortunately we're talking about the Egyptians. They wrote down motherfucking everything. Please, read through this
and tell me that it is possible for such a huge event as the death of a Pharaoh (aka a god himself) to be completely erased from memory. Hell, even if it was plausible it's still the Jews word against the Egyptians and well, there's no archaeological evidence for the Jews. They're on the burden of proof.

and how do you come to that conclusion?

Is there something you didn't understand here?

"This tendency is actually common to human beings: human beings record catastrophes they understand;"

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1719489

Also, are you dismissing the possibility of some tomb raiders stealing some important hieroglyphs aswell?

[TwoHourMotel]

Originally Posted by Kaiverrettu

Well, we can't really go back to 2000 years to see if someone really healed can we, so we must be able to judge things based on anecdotal evidence of such claimed healings.

Typically if there is large amount of witnesses of a similar event, in court, that counts as valid evidence. I don't see how it would be any different here. Maybe in some silly atheists mind, but certainly not so for me(or the judge/justice system, upon wich our countries are all based on).

Moreover to the bible evidence, you also have me, who has told you about the personal change in life that the Christ has brought with him, so you really have no authority to go ahead dispute any of the claims in the bible, or done by me, you simply believe in them or you don't.



Is there something you didn't understand here?



Also, are you dismissing the possibility of some tomb raiders stealing some important hieroglyphs aswell?

I can reply to this whole post in 4 words:

Oh, well that's convenient.

[badmafa]

Originally Posted by Kaiverrettu

Well, we can't really go back to 2000 years to see if someone really healed can we, so we must be able to judge things based on anecdotal evidence of such claimed healings.

Typically if there is large amount of witnesses of a similar event, in court, that counts as valid evidence. I don't see how it would be any different here. Maybe in some silly atheists mind, but certainly not so for me(or the judge/justice system, upon wich our countries are all based on).

Anecdotal is the least reliable form of evidence. In a scientific context, eye witnesses are essentially worthless. In the absence of strong evidence, why would the witness accounts of bronze age primitives count for anything? Even in modern days, people fall prey to charlatans and con artists. Why would the people of ancient Palestine be any more wily?

[Pwntlolz]

Originally Posted by Kaiverrettu

Also, are you dismissing the possibility of some tomb raiders stealing some important hieroglyphs aswell?

I am dismissing the possibility that every scrap of text suggesting the death of god on earth and a political leader to be lost simply because a book that could have been written by anybody else in the world suggests otherwise. I'm sure if you took a step back you would see why as well.

Originally Posted by Kaiverrettu

Typically if there is large amount of witnesses of a similar event, in court, that counts as valid evidence.

And how many witnesses have you brought to court with the Bible (i.e. how many other accounts do you have that are not from the bible)? I feel like I'm arguing against the jury of To Kill a Mockingbird. It's pretty similar, anyway.

[Kaiverrettu]

Originally Posted by badmafa

Anecdotal is the least reliable form of evidence. In a scientific context, eye witnesses are essentially worthless.

Ok scientific context, but how about the "reliability factor." When was I even talking about "scientific context" in this regard? If you don't believe in the witnesses in the bible or me, that doesn't bother me at all.

Even in modern days, people fall prey to charlatans and con artists. Why would the people of ancient Palestine be any more wily?

Hundreds of witnesses, radical miracles during the biblical times, and even before that in the Old Testament.

Granted, I've not seen any miracles in my time; but I've seen alot of prophecying in action. As well as speaking tongues. So I have no reason to doubt that God would've stopped doing miracles described in bible this day, or that they would be impossible.

It's just the matter of fact and medical science, I suppose, that people have stopped trusting to God in this regard.

That doesn't remove the inner changed that God has causeth within me and the peace. I seriously doubt you can live at peace, if you still live according to your own will. All horrible things, sins and suffering are caused from man wanting to live the life in his own way, without accepting guidance of God, that is avalaible for those who believe.

Trying to figure out how this discussion drifted to this. Main point is that if there is an UFO found at the ocean floor, it would definetely give more evidence for bible. Im not neccessarily hoping it would be or excepting it to be an ufo; im just saying if one was ever found, it could possible give more evidence for the bible.

[Hey00]

Originally Posted by Kaiverrettu

Ok scientific context, but how about the "reliability factor." When was I even talking about "scientific context" in this regard? If you don't believe in the witnesses in the bible or me, that doesn't bother me at all.



Hundreds of witnesses, radical miracles during the biblical times, and even before that in the Old Testament.

And all of them in one single book. That makes one anecdote.

I seriously doubt you can live at peace, if you still live according to your own will. All horrible things, sins and suffering are caused from man wanting to live the life in his own way, without accepting guidance of God, that is avalaible for those who believe.

*cough*crusades*cough*inquisition*cough*terrorism* cough*
*cough*sacrifices*cough*racialdiscrmination*cough* spreadingaids*cough*

Trying to figure out how this discussion drifted to this. Main point is that if there is an UFO found at the ocean floor, it would definetely give strong evidence for it.

No, it would be an evidence that there is an unidentified flying object crashed in the sea. Then if it was proven conclusively to be of extraterrestrial origin, it would be evidence that there is/was certainly intelligent life elsewhere. Nothing more.

[Ali Radicali]

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire features hundreds of people witnessing Harry's fight with a dragon. That means hundreds of eyewitnesses saw Harry Potter fight a dragon. Hundreds of people can't be wrong, can they?


I don't think Kaiverrettu understands the concept of fiction.

[Lord_Talron]

to quote a band:
"consensus is not a fact-based exercise"

[OrNy]

According to Kaivarrettu , if we (humans) ever discover a object or spaceship which is not of this Earth , it will be a proof that the bible is true.Please show us where the bible states that ''aliens'' will come to Earth?Did the bible say that they will come but crash into the sea?

But if the beings that come to Earth are angels , or god himself and they are using spaceships to come to earth , they lose all their powers described in the bible therefore the discovery of a alien spaceship would be an argument against religion.

And if you insist with your alien (angel) spaceship and the bible , you are just proving what this says : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_aliens.

If I had to choose between religion and Ancient Alien theory I would choose the second without hesitation.They merely ask questions and try to give answers , most of the show is filled with crap but they have really good points sometimes that really make you think a little , unlike religion.

and BTW : ANCIENT ALIENS COMPLETELY DESTROYS THE BIBLE AND THE OTHER RELIGIOUS BOOKS IN THEIR SHOW , THEY ARE SAYING THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE THOSE BOOKS TRIED TO EXPLAIN TECHNOLOGY THAT WAS WAY BEYOND THEIR UNDERSTANDING.THEY BASICALLY SAY THAT GOD,ANGELS OR OTHER BEINGS ARE JUST ALIENS WHO USE HIGH TECH AND THEY SEEM GODLY TO HUMANS WHO NEVER SAW THIS STUFF BEFORE.

Believing and defending both Ancient Aliens Theory and the Bible is completely retarded.

[Hey00]

Originally Posted by OrNy

and BTW : ANCIENT ALIENS COMPLETELY DESTROYS THE BIBLE AND THE OTHER RELIGIOUS BOOKS IN THEIR SHOW , THEY ARE SAYING THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE THOSE BOOKS TRIED TO EXPLAIN TECHNOLOGY THAT WAS WAY BEYOND THEIR UNDERSTANDING.THEY BASICALLY SAY THAT GOD,ANGELS OR OTHER BEINGS ARE JUST ALIENS WHO USE HIGH TECH AND THEY SEEM GODLY TO HUMANS WHO NEVER SAW THIS STUFF BEFORE.

Believing and defending both Ancient Aliens Theory and the Bible is completely retarded.

Never watched that show, but it looks a lot like Stargate, without the interesting stuff.

[Kaiverrettu]

Originally Posted by Hey00

And all of them in one single book. That makes one anecdote.

Bible is actually a collection of books.

*cough*crusades*cough*inquisition*cough*terrorism* cough*
*cough*sacrifices*cough*racialdiscrmination*cough* spreadingaids*cough*

Im not sure what crusades or inquisition have to do with christianity, though.

No, it would be an evidence that there is an unidentified flying object crashed in the sea.

Certainly. The interpretations wich we make of it are our own. Bible does say that there were extraterrestial beings on this earth, even though it doesn't specify how exactly they came here.

Now im not saying anything in either way, im just speculating. One of the ancient American texts in the Ancient Aliens show described stairs into heaven - kind of like what Jacob saw in his dream; so maybe that could've been something through wich they travelled to here as well.

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire features hundreds of people witnessing Harry's fight with a dragon. That means hundreds of eyewitnesses saw Harry Potter fight a dragon. Hundreds of people can't be wrong, can they?

Again, fail logic. Biblical presentations didn't start as fairy tales, they are based on truth. Other religions usually dramatized animals and people who did great deeds in the ancient times, and elevated them as their "gods.," whereas bible is based on God revealing itself to people, instead of people inventing and making imaginary stuff as their gods or idols.

It's very disturbing to see such "strong" arguments coming from a not-knowledgeable person on the subject, so research more next time plz.

[Pwntlolz]

Originally Posted by Kaiverrettu

Biblical presentations didn't start as fairy tales, they are based on truth.

How do you know this?

[Hey00]

Originally Posted by Kaiverrettu

Bible is actually a collection of books.

Ok, that means a few anecdotes, one for each author who wrote about an event. Still kinda weak.

Im not sure what crusades or inquisition have to do with christianity, though.

Yes, yes, we know, they weren't true christians, whatever. They were religious.

Again, fail logic. Biblical presentations didn't start as fairy tales, they are based on truth.

Were you there?

Other religions usually dramatized animals and people who did great deeds in the ancient times, and elevated them as their "gods.," whereas bible is based on God revealing itself to people, instead of people inventing and making imaginary stuff as their gods or idols.

Again, were you there?

[Ali Radicali]

Originally Posted by Kaiverrettu

Again, fail logic. Biblical presentations didn't start as fairy tales, they are based on truth. Other religions usually dramatized animals and people who did great deeds in the ancient times, and elevated them as their "gods.," whereas bible is based on God revealing itself to people, instead of people inventing and making imaginary stuff as their gods or idols.

How do you know? Because that's what the bible says? Because that's what they taught you in sunday school? Wake up and smell the circular logic plz.

Originally Posted by Kaiverrettu

It's very disturbing to see such "strong" arguments coming from a not-knowledgeable person on the subject, again fail atheistical logic.

Dunning-Kruger effect. Look it up.

[Lord_Talron]

other religions use dramatized animals, huh. i guess the snake in genesis is an except to this being ridiculous, right?