Is a non item dependent late game carry possible?

JackDawkins · 06-23-2012, 12:45 AM

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Life-Stealer · 06-23-2012, 12:47 AM

Mortred can own regardless what she has.

JackDawkins · 06-23-2012, 12:49 AM

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acf3passion · 06-23-2012, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Life-Stealer

Mortred can own regardless what she has.

wtf.

Life-Stealer · 06-23-2012, 12:54 AM

Well, most of the time I see ursa own with nothing more than a Phase boot and regen

Bloodmoth · 06-23-2012, 12:55 AM

A non item dependent carry? I can't see it happening. The only way I can think of is to make him scale not with stats, but time. Like an intelligence hero whos skills will be getting better as the time passes by. Maybe make him like Invoker, giving his spells 7 stages, one when he picks the skill + 1 per 10 minutes passed on the clock, reaching full potential after 60 minutes.

In a few words, a lategame hero needs to scale. If he scales by stats, he will always be item dependent. The only other way is to scale by time. Make a Time Devourer hero suggestion in the forums, sounds fun. It also sounds terribly underpowered and useless in competitive, but what the heck.

Darentei · 06-23-2012, 12:58 AM

Sadly, Dota is not balanced around that kind of scaling...

Bloodmoth · 06-23-2012, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Darentei

Sadly, Dota is not balanced around that kind of scaling...

Sadly? I can't even imagine how lame that would be... DotA is fine as it is, though I wouldn't say no to such a hero, merely for fun/pub purposes.

ShowThemHell · 06-23-2012, 01:17 AM

How about Invoker? All he needs is levels and spells. He doesn't even much mana-dependent

Lauranna · 06-23-2012, 01:27 AM

Barathrum

JackDawkins · 06-23-2012, 01:33 AM

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ShowThemHell · 06-23-2012, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JackDawkins

Actually, I think that's quite true. You can see invokers being total MVPs with just Phase and Jango only. If we were to be realistic and add aghanim in (which is just one mid tier item), that's already enough, anything else is a bonus on him.

But he isn't really one of those that can eliminate 2-3 heroes while on BKB late in the game. Come to think of it, BKB is the reason why a lot of late game carries can be bosses. I'm getting kind of a picture here, imagine a weaver-ish hero with a BKB spell like Naix, with no stuns or slows but a steroid crit-ish passive that scales with his ult. And his ult is something like Flesh Heap which adds damage to his passive the more it has been used...

So he's a semi-carry. He still can destroy supports late game and leave the hard carries alone for the rest of the team to deal with.

Xezko · 06-23-2012, 01:55 AM

I think item dependancy is within the definition of the carry type of heroes.

wzuni9a · 06-23-2012, 01:59 AM

I don't think so. Anyone who can carry, can definitely be more powerful with items. To have a non-item dependent carry, you'd need someone who cannot use damage items, have no use for attack speed, or lifesteal, bash, etc.

I know! It's a trick question! Make the hero's stats improve with stashed gold. That way, not spending any gold on items will make him powerful. Thus, dependent on having no items AKA item independent.

GodReaper · 06-23-2012, 02:01 AM

Define "item dependent", and the term "Carry" is not restricted to one who requires highest tier items.

JackDawkins · 06-23-2012, 02:08 AM

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teng) · 06-23-2012, 02:10 AM

No.

NovemberOne · 06-23-2012, 02:11 AM

No, there is no hero for you. L2lasthit.

Green Yoshi · 06-23-2012, 02:12 AM

Meepo comes to mind, though he's not the strongest carry lategame. But all he needs is exp, not items.

ChickWithDick · 06-23-2012, 02:50 AM

qop and lanaya comes to my mind

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Bloodmoth Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,242	Re: Is a non item dependent late game carry possib A non item dependent carry? I can't see it happening. The only way I can think of is to make him scale not with stats, but time. Like an intelligence hero whos skills will be getting better as the time passes by. Maybe make him like Invoker, giving his spells 7 stages, one when he picks the skill + 1 per 10 minutes passed on the clock, reaching full potential after 60 minutes. In a few words, a lategame hero needs to scale. If he scales by stats, he will always be item dependent. The only other way is to scale by time. Make a Time Devourer hero suggestion in the forums, sounds fun. It also sounds terribly underpowered and useless in competitive, but what the heck. __________________ Bloodmoth My Hero: Skincrawler Death walks beside me... He is my Brother, my Shieldman and my Slave... When you face me, noob, you face us both... And Death shall have His way... http://www.playdota.com/forums/54934...ring-sandworm/

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ShowThemHell Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: The internet, spreading my bullshit. Posts: 5,973 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Is a non item dependent late game carry possib How about Invoker? All he needs is levels and spells. He doesn't even much mana-dependent __________________ Space for good music Dota 2 achievements suggestion !!! Beta key

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Life-Stealer Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Peru Posts: 6,373 Blog Entries: 1	Mortred can own regardless what she has.

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Life-Stealer Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Peru Posts: 6,373 Blog Entries: 1	Well, most of the time I see ursa own with nothing more than a Phase boot and regen

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Xezko Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,177 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Is a non item dependent late game carry possib I think item dependancy is within the definition of the carry type of heroes. __________________ Sig Media

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wzuni9a Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 554	Re: Is a non item dependent late game carry possib I don't think so. Anyone who can carry, can definitely be more powerful with items. To have a non-item dependent carry, you'd need someone who cannot use damage items, have no use for attack speed, or lifesteal, bash, etc. I know! It's a trick question! Make the hero's stats improve with stashed gold. That way, not spending any gold on items will make him powerful. Thus, dependent on having no items AKA item independent.

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GodReaper Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,139	Re: Is a non item dependent late game carry possib Define "item dependent", and the term "Carry" is not restricted to one who requires highest tier items. __________________ She had blue skin, And so did he He kept it hid, And so did she They searched for blue, Their whole life through Then passed right by--And never knew -Shel Silverstein

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teng) Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,870	Re: Is a non item dependent late game carry possib No. __________________ <3 Akarin User

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NovemberOne Banned Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 361	Re: Is a non item dependent late game carry possib No, there is no hero for you. L2lasthit.

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ChickWithDick Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Dimana aja bole...... Posts: 899	Re: Is a non item dependent late game carry possib qop and lanaya comes to my mind __________________