Venomancer lvl 7 roshan

[Blackdoom59]

Hey PD.

Ive seen somebody doing it , and now I'm doing it 2.In pubs , venomancer is most likely a semi-carry semi-pusher more then a support so many players think he is.

Now here is what to do if you're on a low-leveled pub.Go mid with 1 point in venomous gale , and last hit as much as u can.On level 2 and 3 get wards .After level 3 you are free to spam wards to piss off the enemy.Max wards asap and get poision sting on level 4.Get ult at 6 , max wards at 7 and go rosh.

Put 3 wards at the enterance to his cave then pull him to them.If you have something like RoB or RoA you will have enaugh mana to maintain 3 wards near rosh.It will take less then 2 minutes and rosh will be down , your team will get 200 gold bonus(you get 500) and you take the aegis(or if you really want to go support let a carry get it).

Doing this will grant you 500 gold every 10 minutes and a bonus life so you are officially a semi-carry with this trick on.What I want is the item build for this carry-ish kind of venomancer.

What I do is get a chiken 2 slippers and and some basic regen.The slippers will be turned into RoA and wraith band.Now what?What are your cores ?Is it worth saving for travel?Should you rush HoT?Should you get Lothar/Dagger or should you focus on pure dps items?

[xyLoneZ]

I should try doing the roshan with lv 4 wards, since ive never really dedicated myself for doing this before. And it seems this only works if you are in a very low level pub and you are scourge, otherwise the risk is just too great.

Anyway, Carry venomancer is indeed another way to play veno. I would get something like any agi dps carry will get.. something along boots+lothar+perse as your core followed by manta, butterfly, buriza, and upgrade perse to linken lather on. Swap lothar out if you want bkb instead. Dont get agha since you are going dps carry.

[Freekachu]

I wouldn't bother using Plague Wards until I am at least Level 5/they are Rank 3. Plague Ward is a skill that starts weak but scales dramatically with investment (+125 HP/+10 damage per) so it's best to play with that in mind or you may find the enemy mid feeding off them while you gain nothing from their use. As such, I get Venomous Gale and Poison Sting at Levels 1 and 2, then move on to a skill priority of Plague Wards > Poison Nova > Venomous Gale > Poison Sting. Poison Nova can be delayed until Levels 10, 11 and 16 if you aren't building Arcane Boots or Aghanim's Scepter.

There are three main issues with solo'ing Roshan as Venomancer; it's slow, your wards won't tank for you if you are in the pit and it's nearly impossible to pull off if you aren't on Scourge (Dire in Dota 2) side. If you still want to solo Roshan as Venomancer, the best way to overcome said obstacles is to first stack 7-8 Plague Wards inside the Roshan pit without aggro'ing him. Then, when you are ready to begin, you simply aggro him and kite him around his pit while planting another Plague Ward everytime it comes off of cooldown. If you can get an ally to tank Roshan for you, all the better.

As a carry hero, Venomancer is below average; +2.6 AGI growth, debatable farming ability (Plague Ward) and no real steroid. If you must carry with Venomancer, you'll need to get a good start (farm and/or hero kills) for sure. Carry Venomancer could easily be built like Drow Ranger; Power Treads, optional Lothar's Edge (Shadow Blade in Dota 2), Helm of the Dominator (stacks with Poison Sting), Manta Style, Butterfly, etc.

[Blackdoom59]

Originally Posted by xyLoneZ

I would get something like any agi dps carry will get.. something along boots+lothar+perse as your core followed by manta, butterfly, buriza, and upgrade perse to linken lather on. Swap lothar out if you want bkb instead. Dont get agha since you are going dps carry.

That's glass-cannon build. sir

[No_Worries]

The problem with traditional dps items on carry Venom is you'll die to heroes with 1/10 the farm you have. If you want to carry buy scepter/blink and win every team fight. From there you can mess around with more traditional dps items.

Boots+lothar+perse will leave you with no health, no damage, and being virtually worthless. Might as well just rush a bfly rather than dick around with that crappy selection of items

[PK.MSaaDM]

nice trick...thankyou so much for the thread....i m gona try it now

[jskd]

how long does it actually take to do roshan with lvl 4 wards. Compared to say lycan or ursa.

[xyLoneZ]

Originally Posted by Blackdoom59

That's glass-cannon build. sir

Yes, Indeed

Originally Posted by No_Worries

The problem with traditional dps items on carry Venom is you'll die to heroes with 1/10 the farm you have. If you want to carry buy scepter/blink and win every team fight. From there you can mess around with more traditional dps items.

Boots+lothar+perse will leave you with no health, no damage, and being virtually worthless. Might as well just rush a bfly rather than dick around with that crappy selection of items

Since this is a low level pub, I figured that you dont really need to worry about disables and teamfights, and ppl tend to choose lothar over bkb on pub, since lothar gives dps. I personally think that BKB > Lothar on veno, but if i said that some ppl will disagree with me.

About the early hp problem grab an early ogre axe or bracer. You can then turn the ogre axe to bkb or turn the bracer into janggo or just leave it as it is. Early point booster is also another option.

[YoTengoUnLCD]

Originally Posted by Freekachu

I wouldn't bother using Plague Wards until I am at least Level 5/they are Rank 3. Plague Ward is a skill that starts weak but scales dramatically with investment (+125 HP/+10 damage per) so it's best to play with that in mind or you may find the enemy mid feeding off them while you gain nothing from their use. As such, I get Venomous Gale and Poison Sting at Levels 1 and 2, then move on to a skill priority of Plague Wards > Poison Nova > Venomous Gale > Poison Sting. Poison Nova can be delayed until Levels 10, 11 and 16 if you aren't building Arcane Boots or Aghanim's Scepter.

There are three main issues with solo'ing Roshan as Venomancer; it's slow, your wards won't tank for you if you are in the pit and it's nearly impossible to pull off if you aren't on Scourge (Dire in Dota 2) side. If you still want to solo Roshan as Venomancer, the best way to overcome said obstacles is to first stack 7-8 Plague Wards inside the Roshan pit without aggro'ing him. Then, when you are ready to begin, you simply aggro him and kite him around his pit while planting another Plague Ward everytime it comes off of cooldown. If you can get an ally to tank Roshan for you, all the better.

As a carry hero, Venomancer is below average; +2.6 AGI growth, debatable farming ability (Plague Ward) and no real steroid. If you must carry with Venomancer, you'll need to get a good start (farm and/or hero kills) for sure. Carry Venomancer could easily be built like Drow Ranger; Power Treads, optional Lothar's Edge (Shadow Blade in Dota 2), Helm of the Dominator (stacks with Poison Sting), Manta Style, Butterfly, etc.

Rosh will attack the wards rather than you in Dota, unlike in Dota2.
It is not that slow and works in pubs.

Carry Veno will mostly get a fast Aghs+Blink, possibly followed by things like SnY, Veil, Necro, Crit.

[Freekachu]

Originally Posted by YoTengoUnLCD

Rosh will attack the wards rather than you in Dota, unlike in Dota2.
It is not that slow and works in pubs.

Carry Veno will mostly get a fast Aghs+Blink, possibly followed by things like SnY, Veil, Necro, Crit.

Ah really? My apologies; it was like that in HoN as well. Do you think they'll fix that in Dota 2 or no?

[Blackdoom59]

Originally Posted by jskd

how long does it actually take to do roshan with lvl 4 wards. Compared to say lycan or ursa.

Lycan and ursa are made for that job..However the diffrence is not that big.

Lycan
You have to spam wolves , the mana won't let you , roshan slams if there are 3 units near him.

Ursa
If he stuns you twice in a row your combo is fucked.


Venomancer
Roshan cannot beat you as he will always attack the wards.However it will take longer to beat him

[jokinen]

Originally Posted by Blackdoom59

Lycan
You have to spam wolves , the mana won't let you , roshan slams if there are 3 units near him.

Ursa
If he stuns you twice in a row your combo is fucked.

Lycan
position ur wolves properly and u dont have to worry about slams that much. also tank in turnes with ur wolves and dont just let him kill them. all it takes is 2 sets of wolves and u clearly have enough mana to do that.

Ursa
u are clearly doing it wrong if 2 stuns in a row screws u up

[VileCat]

Indeed, I don't think anyone ever had any problems with doing rosh with ursa or lycan. :P
Venom is more likely gonna have mana problems, spamming wards can be costy after a few minutes.

[xyLoneZ]

What I'm concerned with is the skill build. Ideally, if you want to carry with veno, you want to max sting and gale ASAP, since this is where your damage comes from, but with maxing ward first to kill roshan, your gale and sting will be quite delayed and probably get maxed at lv 14.

[jskd]

I max gale so i can get kills, one level of string, no wards and max stats. 2 crystalis bkb.

Its OK, ofc not as good as a normal carry, but u can get good kills

[dying_soon]

It's Possible upgrade the WARD to beat ROSHAN's ASS

[KuroNeko]

Perpetual 7 wards seems like the most sensible method to me.

I've never tried Veno rosh since I'd rather be supporting. But maybe, maybe... if my team lets me mid, keeps up enough pressure to divert suspicion from Rosh etc... the only problem is that it seems to me like you may have to run out of Roshan's lair a few times. Which will get you noticed.