Pro's should Stop picking enigma

[Handofgod]

I've watched about 30 replays from recent games on dota commentaries.com and enigma seems like SUCH a liability. If his ultimate gets cancelled or is on cooldown his other spells are completely underwhelming. I feel like right now the stigma towards his gamebreaking ultimate gives him more credit than he deserves. Thoughts? Do people agree?

[LDNeutral]

Umm he isnt that bad, picking enigma does mean you get a jungle hero and if he lands the perfect ultimate then its pretty much a wipe out for the other team. I agree he is played a bit too much but I don't think pros should just "stop picking him"

[badmafa]

He farms the woods faster than most heroes with little risk, and can easily pop out for a Malefice gank or to push with Eidolons. Black Hole is certainly the trick to a good showing on the hero, but he offers so much else.

[Pheownix]

Black hole is strong, but even without blackhole enigma can still contribute a lot to his team. He's one of the best junglers AND laners in the game, giving his flexibility in the early stages of the game. His core items aren't super expensive, which means that he can build team items like mek and pipe to help push early on with ease.

[RCHLNKI]

Enigma farms fast. If you can get your BKB from jungle, ganks and pushes then landing a blackhole becomes easier.

[Handofgod]

I guess I shouldn't say "stop picking him," but I think he doesn't deserve to be picked as much as he is currently. Almost all the replay's I've watched within this month enigma has performed incredibly bad.

[Juice]

His stun is broken and hole is broken, if that's not enough you've got a strong solo for hard lane/woods that can push like mad and dish out a meka/blink very early in the game

[Lycan]

he can wreck a lane with his demonic conversion farm up a dagger faster than any inniator. His ultimate is so good that even if you just use it on a single hero it tends to be worth it since it pierces bkb and has a long duration

[nonw0w]

you forgot to add that you are talking about eu.

[Gazoo]

he's having a bigger impact than what i think most of the viewers realise, his eidions is used to deny from the lane and he will jungle a lot more efficient than heroes like chen/enchantress wich means he can get items like mek/pipe/wards faster, most teams that pick a lot of enigma don't really put all their money on actually getting those black holes of and items like dagger/bkb is rarley ever rushed. getting a good black hole is just a nice bonus and just having the posibility of landing one eventually forces your oponents team to play arround that

[_Rinnegan_]

Originally Posted by Gazoo

he's having a bigger impact than what i think most of the viewers realise, his eidions is used to deny from the lane and he will jungle a lot more efficient than heroes like chen/enchantress wich means he can get items like mek/pipe/wards faster, most teams that pick a lot of enigma don't really put all their money on actually getting those black holes of and items like dagger/bkb is rarley ever rushed. getting a good black hole is just a nice bonus and just having the posibility of landing one eventually forces your oponents team to play arround that

Yeah was waiting somebody write it to just quote and say GG men , you know what are u talking about

[beetin]

Are you just completely ignoring the ridiculousness of midnight pulse? You cannot have a teamfight inside of it. You just can't. He sections off battles extremely well with it.

He can get stunned out of ulti and still put down a nasty stun and potential 50% MaxHP damaging AOE spell..... It usually does about 70-150 dps late game.

The problem with enigma is he is atrocious until he farms a ton of items, luckily you can shove him in the jungle through most of that period.

[z10]

Effective jungler -> early mek. The stun is quite handy against high ms heroes like windrunner. Long ulti cd generally leads to risky outcome of the game though, because you cant have it ready every fight (so if you fail it in 1 fight, your team will probably fail the next fight also, because BH is not ready again). Maybe people need to get creative with enigma and focus less on just being a walking blackhole. People skipping early dagger for meka goes into that direction.

[galuf]

you don't usually pick him up only for his ult... Blackhole is certainly op, but also feared and countered especially in competitive environement. If you rely heavily on it to win(like except a full duration ult on 4 heroes) you won't proably win.

He is one of, mb the fastest "safe" jungler so with him in your jungle and making powerfull early pushes it will give to your team early gold advantage resulting obviously in faster mek/pipe and also better map control(more gold for wards also).

[_Rinnegan_]

Originally Posted by beetin

Are you just completely ignoring the ridiculousness of midnight pulse? You cannot have a teamfight inside of it. You just can't. He sections off battles extremely well with it.

He can get stunned out of ulti and still put down a nasty stun and potential 50% MaxHP damaging AOE spell..... It usually does about 70-150 dps late game.

The problem with enigma is he is atrocious until he farms a ton of items, luckily you can shove him in the jungle through most of that period.

He dont need so much money , even dagger is not get it in all comp match , and the most werid about that is reallly good ulti used for pro even without initiate with dagger ,

Nevertheless having item make the life more easy ,but the most important is Mastering with Enigma , witch is learn to use him without depend of so much items ,

[goay]

1 word, versatility

[300thecat]

Midnight Pulse kills trees.

[Uncle_Zhuge]

People picked him not even for that Blackhole. It is more for the Eidoleons for early game fast pushing and denying exp. Malefice is a great disable as well. Plus, Enigma is a fast jungler that still can help in the lane occasionally if needed.

That being said, only the Western teams love to pick him. The Chinese is not very fond of him.

[300thecat]

Originally Posted by Uncle_Zhuge

That being said, only the Western teams love to pick him. The Chinese is not very fond of him.

Yes, because Asia is only made up of the Chinese?

Enigma is godly popular in SEA.

[CynthiaCrescent]

If you want Enigma for the ulti I'd pick Magnataur.
Inb4 "dota 2"