Spiked Carapace interaction with Cold Snap

[kingdomnerdia]

I searched the forum, and didn't find this... I would test, but I don't have WC3 on my new computer.

Invoker casts cold snap, which ministuns NA. After ministun, NA casts Spiked Carapace. Invoker throws an auto-attack. I know that the autoattack damage ought to be reflected, and Invoker will end up stunned. But does the cold snap damage + stun still proc on NA?

I couldn't tell from the hero page, but I think that Carapace is a triggered heal. So I guess the damage is still dealt, and thus Cold Snap is procced, but I'm not sure. Even if it is procced, Cold Snap is a separate source of damage than the Invoker auto-attack, and as a result the Cold Snap damage will not also be reflected back at Invoker. Is that right?

[EebstertheGreat]

Correct. The attack damage will be reflected, but the Cold Snap damage will not.

[Nutsy]

About separate instance of damage:
Do Arrow abilities deal separate instance of dmg? (ex: Impetus, Glaive, Arcane Orb)
What about Windwalk's backstab?

[crinckle]

Originally Posted by Nutsy

About separate instance of damage:
Do Arrow abilities deal separate instance of dmg? (ex: Impetus, Glaive, Arcane Orb)
What about Windwalk's backstab?

The abilities you listed do deal separate instance of damage but searing arrows only deal a single instance (the damage gets added to your attack damage).

Gondar's windwalk and Meld deals a separate instance other windwalks (Vendetta, Lothar) deal damage in one instance.

[Star_Saber]

So after an attack with Arcane Orb in autocast, which damage instance does get reflected? in fact, how will the game decide which damage instance gets reflected and which one gets ignored?

[karaulo]

need fix Zeus, "Static Field" "bypass"(interrupt) "spiked carapace"...

[EebstertheGreat]

Originally Posted by Star_Saber

So after an attack with Arcane Orb in autocast, which damage instance does get reflected? in fact, how will the game decide which damage instance gets reflected and which one gets ignored?

The attack damage will trigger both the orb's triggered damage and Spiked Carapace reflection.

[MauranKilom]

^Since that sounds as if it misinterprets the question (although it doesn't), i'll simplify it to "the attack damage gets reflected, not the orb damage".

Originally Posted by karaulo

need fix Zeus, "Static Field" "bypass"(interrupt) "spiked carapace"...

Please try to word this in a sentence without excessive use of quotation marks, or chances are noone understands you...

[karaulo]

Хорошо: Пожалуйста исправьте третий скил зевса!! он ломает третий скил неруба!

[MauranKilom]

I didn't say "english sentence" because english doesn't seem to be your mother tongue and you were obviously trying already. However, my attempt at not sounding insulting seems to have gone bad.

[twoeyedyum]

He wrote: please fix Zeus 3rd skill!! it breaks NA's 3rd skill
But even being russian-speaker i still dunno what he means by "breaks".

[Wwallace_]

Zeus passive triggers NA's carapace, so instead of triggering upon the arc, bolt or wrath it will trigger upon the passive. I think thats it

I just find it lame that if NA got carapace on and attack cent with return, cent will get stunned..

[twoeyedyum]

I just find it lame that if NA got carapace on and attack cent with return, cent will get stunned..

Not that damage is significant enough to spend SC on it.

Zeus passive triggers NA's carapace, so instead of triggering upon the arc, bolt or wrath it will trigger upon the passive. I think thats it

I don't see problem in that. Actually shock damage may be bigger than arc damage. So it's doesn't "break" anything. There's so many lesser abilities which actually trigger SC for no real damage (one tick of Burning Spear as example).

[Clogon]

@karaulo:
All of Zeus' active skills have a 0.25s delay in damage. So if you want to reflect Zeus' active skills instead of Static, then activate Spiked Carapace within that window.

This 0.25s delay in damage exists with all Chain Lightning based skills and Mana Flare as well.

[EebstertheGreat]

Originally Posted by Clogon

@karaulo:
All of Zeus' active skills have a 0.25s delay in damage. So if you want to reflect Zeus' active skills instead of Static, then activate Spiked Carapace within that window.

This 0.25s delay in damage exists with all Chain Lightning based skills and Mana Flare as well.

Lightning Bolt is a storm bolt, not a chain lightning. It has 700 range and 9999 missile speed, so there isn't much of a window.

[Clogon]

it is a chain lightning. the base skill a storm bolt yes. but the damage comes from a dummy casting chain lightning.

[EebstertheGreat]

Originally Posted by JASS

if GetEventDamage()>0

This is the part I forgot about. The zero-damage instance is ignored.