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Old 02-09-2013, 09:45 AM   #1
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Is anything else besides the Dagon & Urn effective? I also will grab support items like drums, etc. But is there anything else that is really game-breaking on him? Eblade? Radiance? Butter? Shivas?

I like to gank with him and be an offensive force mostly, so not very interested in support/defensive builds.
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:29 AM   #2
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Old 02-09-2013, 01:36 PM   #3
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Blink Dagger
Bloodstone
Necro3
Sheep

Are some good items to buy.
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:05 PM   #4
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Does your enemies have more than 1 invis?

-> Necrobook.

Does your enemies have a lot of pushing capabilities?

-> Battlefury (yes)

Eblade,Shiva,Hex,Dagon,Force/Blink,Abyssal
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:07 PM   #5
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Does your enemies have more than 1 invis?

-> Necrobook.

Does your enemies have a lot of pushing capabilities?

-> Battlefury (yes)

Eblade,Shiva,Hex,Dagon,Force/Blink,Abyssal
I'm curious to what the reasoning behind BF is? If they are a push heavy team you can clear creeps more efficiently?

Also, what about Orchids viability on nyx?
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:10 PM   #6
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Dagon > EB > Dagon 5 > Dagger > Hex
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:11 PM   #7
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Orchid if you want to stop someone with a badass 1 cast magic.

Battlefury actually helps a lot in pushing AND anti-pushing, at least for creeps. Its something that you really want to pick up if there isn't a bigger priority like disabling the enemies with hex or ghost to avoid dying.
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:43 PM   #8
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Sometimes I make Bfly.Reason?Upgrading Dagon sucks,EB doesn't increase Vendetta damage and changes your combo to Vendetta hit-EB-Impale-Manaburn-Dagon,making it easier to respond,Guinsoo is mana overkill.
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how do you use necrobook on him?

Ult, hit, stun, necro? mana burn? or Ult hit necro stun mana burn?
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Old 02-09-2013, 05:27 PM   #10
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how do you use necrobook on him?

Ult, hit, stun, necro? mana burn? or Ult hit necro stun mana burn?
Items have a 0 cast point, so you ulti, hit, necro, stun. The necro-stun should take about 0.1 seconds longer than just stunning, whereas you'd delay casting necro by 0.4 seconds doing it the other way.

Then you double mana burn, and usually right click the hero with your minions while your hero tries to movement block them (if they aren't dead from the burst). If they have a stun/slow and still have mana, throw down that carapace if your blocking looks successful, so they have to wait for 4 seconds before trying to stun you.
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Situational Diffusional Blade is pretty useful.
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Situational Diffusional Blade is pretty useful.
No, tried it before, garbage item.
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Old 02-10-2013, 09:17 AM   #13
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Any item that focuses solely on increasing auto-attack damage is pretty bad, because his entire set has absolutely nothing that goes well with it.

Why is Diffusal a good pick up? Against what?
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Old 02-10-2013, 10:17 AM   #14
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soul ring
arcane
Ethereal Blade
dagon 5
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Old 02-10-2013, 10:44 AM   #15
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Arcane > SR if you're going nyx support since you'd need it for your team most of the time anyway.
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Desolator, Assault Cuirass, Shadow Blade
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Old 02-10-2013, 10:53 AM   #17
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AB,Dag,Blink,Scythe,AC,EB
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Old 02-10-2013, 04:23 PM   #18
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Any item that focuses solely on increasing auto-attack damage is pretty bad, because his entire set has absolutely nothing that goes well with it.

Why is Diffusal a good pick up? Against what?
It's great against anyone that's too tanky to burst down with Vendetta+Impale+Mana Burn+Dagon. Which admittedly isn't a lot, but there are several that can take all that. They then can't run from you because of being Purged, allowing you to cast more spells to guarantee a kill. It's also great for ganking heroes that have some form of steroid skill.

Again, it's entirely situational though.
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Old 02-10-2013, 04:49 PM   #20
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Blink Dagger
Bloodstone
Necro3
Sheep

Are some good items to buy.
Def agree on the blink. The synergy between blink and carpace is off da chaaain.
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Force is a very decent item. Makes him nigh unkilllable (if he wasn't already).

EB is pretty much the best lategame extension there is, giving you great stats (a good right click) along with boosting your combo significantly.

BoT of course is fantastic.

Once you've bought a few casting items (typically dagon / necro + arcane + mobility items / mana regen items) you should be focusing on being a physical threat, either by having high EHP (soulbooster, pipe) + annoyance or by having some actual (multipurpose) physical damage (in the form of items such as EB, basher and mjolnir)
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Old 02-10-2013, 06:53 PM   #22
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People who still make dagon on Nyx are stupid, core should be orchid sny deso butterfly. Sometime linken works if you wanna be the annoying juker with your extremely annoying carapace. Basically anything but a noobdagon.
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Old 02-10-2013, 07:14 PM   #23
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People who still make dagon on Nyx are stupid, core should be orchid sny deso butterfly. Sometime linken works if you wanna be the annoying juker with your extremely annoying carapace. Basically anything but a noobdagon.
dagon is an item that is very very misunderstood.
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Drums

Sheep stick

Necrobook

E-blade

Refresher orb works too

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People who still make dagon on Nyx are stupid, core should be orchid sny deso butterfly. Sometime linken works if you wanna be the annoying juker with your extremely annoying carapace. Basically anything but a noobdagon.
Nyx is not a right clicker, he's got no right click power at all compared to the likes of Luna or faceless void; he's a nuked and disabler who deals insane amount of burst damage

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People who still make dagon on Nyx are stupid, core should be orchid sny deso butterfly. Sometime linken works if you wanna be the annoying juker with your extremely annoying carapace. Basically anything but a noobdagon.
Nyx is not a right clicker, he's got no right click power at all compared to the likes of Luna or faceless void; he's a nuked and disabler who deals insane amount of burst damage
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I've screwed around with some builds against lineups where it's difficult to straight-up murder someone in one combo, which saw me going for items like Deso, Drums, SnY and Eblade, but the results were meh. I stayed useful by the endgame, but it doesn't really compare to his standard build, so I'd just say avoid him in games where you can't do your job.
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Arcane [Dagon] Dagger [Eul] Guinsoo

Situational items reason :
Dagon : If you're having free farm and there's a couple of squishies in the ennemy team.
Eul : Another disable, if the lone target is finally not alone (eul the other guy)
Eul yourself > Dagger for the reliable escape.

Arcane Dagger is a must, arcane for the much needed mana pool, Dagger for the initiating/escaping ability. You will not always initiate with Vendetta, unless you are already level 16 (same duration as cooldown) and even there, they will have gem/sentries and wait for you.
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I normally stay useful late game with an Eblade.
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I normally stay useful late game with an Eblade.
Of course Eblade is mandatory on late-game, but it's all depending on your farm/farm priority.
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Old 02-13-2013, 10:11 AM   #29
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What is the "usual" item build for Nyx, anyway? Haven't played him for ages.
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Oh and I think BKB is pretty good on him

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What is the "usual" item build for Nyx, anyway? Haven't played him for ages.
Bottle, Talisman, Arcane, Urn, Dagon, E-blade, Sheep Stick; by that time the game should endd
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Hmm I do not think Nyx needs much to be effective in what he does. However, if we are talking about late game, I see Eblade as 1 of the most logical items extension.

To be fair I never understood why competitive players like to build blink on him. His ulti seems good enough to me for him to get the good fight initiations. Sure blink is instant + the surprise factor and all, but the 2150 gold spent there could be better off spent on something like a ghost scepter (for future Eblade).

Dagon on him seems to be a throwback to the old times item build as well. Unless Eblade is completed on him and he still seems to be rolling in cash I guess.
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The best build for Nyx is of course

Phase, Orchid, EB, Bottle with a Bracer and telescrolls.

I got like 68% wins with +150 games at page 1-2 games. It literally cannot lose.

Almost every game when I go for AB, I lose. Almost every game I go for Dagon, I lose.
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The best build for Nyx is of course

Phase, Orchid, EB, Bottle with a Bracer and telescrolls.

I got like 68% wins with +150 games at page 1-2 games. It literally cannot lose.

Almost every game when I go for AB, I lose. Almost every game I go for Dagon, I lose.
What about Tranquil Boots/SR/Urn/RoA?

Wouldn't Orchid be a situational item for those heroes who rely on their spells to escape? 99% of the time you can't benefit from Vendetta + Orchid combo, unless you cast Orchid first and then go Vendetta later.
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I've been lately abusing the absurdness of his E to get orchid+phase boots+battlefury. Gives you good farming and a nice amount of rightclick power. You will have little HP but who cares? Spiked carapace ftw!
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