Borrowed Time, optical illusion?

[KuroNeko]

By optical illusion I don't mean the ones you might find in books or passed around through emails.

I mean that Borrowed Time often looks like it's healing more hp than the hero would otherwise be losing.

I hardly see Abbadon in wc3 pubs any more, so this question may have more to do with LoD mode and coding (although I doubt it).

Any thoughts on this? Is it just my eyes playing tricks on me? Maybe some guys had dispersion that I didn't notice, or flipped on MoM as their Borrowed Time popped?

Because honestly, half the time it really does look like it's healing more than it should be. And this is just from auto-attacks, as in a steady stream of dps

(say the hero is losing 10% max hp per second from autoattacks, they activate borrowed time a bit early and their hp shoots up 40% in the 2 sec it takes for people to stop attacking them)

So, just me, anyone else notice this, or are certain spells or effects the culprit? I don't think it has anything to do with triggered heals stacking.

[MauranKilom]

Can't agree with that. Doesn't happen for me, but we don't deal with LoD here anyways.

Or in other words: From a (standard dota) mechanical standpoint, your observation is invalid.

[_Rinnegan_]

rebember that under BT Abba can use death coil to heal himself

[Phantom_IV]

Note that if the hero has some kind of triggered heal (like Dispersion), Abbadon will take 78% normally and heal 122% when BT is active. This might cause the phenomena that you observe.

[wd.Ripper]

Originally Posted by Phantom_IV

Note that if the hero has some kind of triggered heal (like Dispersion), Abbadon will take 78% normally and heal 122% when BT is active. This might cause the phenomena that you observe.

Why is this & how did you calculate that?

[MauranKilom]

He takes 100 damage. Borrowed time notices that and heals 200 dmg, resulting in net 100 health gain. Dispersion notices it, too (independently from that) and heals him for 22% of the damage, resulting in a total of 122% heal.

This means that (compared to taking only 78% of the damage without borrowed time but with disperion), he heals more than 56% more health than he would've normally lost.

[Phantom_IV]

Normally: Take 100%, Heal 100% with BT
With Dispersion (Additional 22% heal): Take 78%, Heal 122%.

Triggered heals stack additively (in this sense), making stacking triggered heals very, very effective. In regular DotA application, you can see this with Wisp+FV. With both of their triggered heals maxed, FV takes 45% less damage, granting him a 82% HP boost.

E: Ninja'd

[KuroNeko]

After some careful observation, I've concluded that this will happen when the borrowed time user has lifesteal and everyone is attacking at a relatively fast rate (enough that hp changes are steady or linear).

I actually saw this sort of thing in pubs with Abba, but I thought that that may have been the result of foggy memory and retroactive attribution (as in thinking back to what I saw a while ago incorrectly due to what I observed more often and more recently in LoD).

This effect is visually the same as if Abba is protected wih a % triggered heal like dispersion,, where (for example) Abba might be receiving 100 dps and healing 20 hp per sec from lifesteal (net rate of -80hp/sec) before borrowed time activates, resulting in 100 hp/s and 20 hp/s respectively (net rate of +120hp/sec).

So this creates the illusion that Abbadon is suddenly healing at 150% the rate he was being damaged.