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Old 07-27-2012, 09:08 AM   #1
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Default Is there ANY counter/defense to Chronosphere?


I play pubs and in pubs basically all 9 players usually suck (I'm not bragging I'm trying to explain the dynamic).

Since they all suck the 4 retards on my team farm and don't cross the river and the 5 idiots on the other team do the same.

I farm some and eventually start picking off the enemies one by one. Soon they get the drift and only move as a group.

Okay, onto stage three of the game.

No one is doing anything. I've built a full-on escapist hard hitting build (SB, MM, BKB) so I can rape and run. This is because the other team is ONLY waiting for me, to jump on me and kill me, and then push the lane and run over my allies.

Now, I know how to deal with this and almost always come on top now.

However, I just played a game and no matter what the void just sat back and waited and after I killed a teamate or two he jumps in, ults, and eats me.

Is there ANYTHING I can do to avoid this? What can I do to counter the void's ult since BKB doesn't work.

Would force staffing myself out of the way as he's casting it work?

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Old 07-27-2012, 09:11 AM   #2
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Default Re: Is there ANY counter/defense to Chronosphere?

ghost staff, alot of hp, stun void etc.
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:12 AM   #3
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Default Re: Is there ANY counter/defense to Chronosphere?

There IS a counter. And that is to spread your formation
Usually if 3 or more people are trapped within chrono and their entire team is pummelling you from outside the sphere, it's most likely their victory

You COULD also grab a siren and sleep fv from miles away. But technically any disabler will do. Siren does it better because she prevents attacks from outside the chrono, rather than disable only fv while their entire team is nuking yours to death

No you cannot force staff yourself out of chrono

Once void gets his bkb he is practically invulnerable inside chrono. That means you have to anticipate this in advance and pick heroes like beastmaster/enig just to disable him while inside chrono.

But u're not going to expect this kind of organisation in pubs, so just suck it up son
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:12 AM   #4
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Ghost staff!

That's a fantastic idea.
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:13 AM   #5
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Default Re: Is there ANY counter/defense to Chronosphere?

Force doesn't work in chronosphere.

the simple idea is to own void fast. Void is a weak pub hero, he takes tremendous farm (which is hard to get in pubs) or selling a leaver's full inventory to be any threat.

Once he's fat, you may try to focus on pushing. Win by mega creeps.
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:14 AM   #6
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Default Re: Is there ANY counter/defense to Chronosphere?

Well, the thing is as illustrated it's basically up to me so I'm not trying to get a hero to counter him, more a strategy/item that can aid me in it. And I certainly can't rely on an ally to do anything.

But the ghost staff is a great idea. How about blade mail? I figure it would be less effective than the ghost staff.
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:15 AM   #7
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:15 AM   #8
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Default Re: Is there ANY counter/defense to Chronosphere?

Well the problem is i can't solo push when my allies have no balls, and if they feed that's also something I can't control. Basically I just want to be able to cope with that one spell with the assumption that I cannot prevent him from waiting for me and planning to cast it.
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:16 AM   #9
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What if you force right before he casts it? I read somewhere that if you're already moving due to a spell or something it doesn't interrupt it (like SS's ult)

Anyone know about this?
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:18 AM   #10
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Default Re: Is there ANY counter/defense to Chronosphere?

There are no blueprint to beat defensive laning.. Oups wrong thread.
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:19 AM   #11
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Default Re: Is there ANY counter/defense to Chronosphere?

Strategy? Spread your team. Disable him from outside the chrono
Ghost scepter and blademail only works if you anticipate the chrono. Don't listen to the theorycrafters above.
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:21 AM   #12
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Default Re: Is there ANY counter/defense to Chronosphere?

The easiest way is to have a teammate disable void. The hard way is that you Blink, Ghost, Euls, Sheep, Stun, Force, BladeMail, and etc before he can hit the chrono.
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:21 AM   #13
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Default Re: Is there ANY counter/defense to Chronosphere?

In general, if your team is much worse than your oppnent's team, you will lose no matter what.
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:24 AM   #14
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:24 AM   #15
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What if you force right before he casts it? I read somewhere that if you're already moving due to a spell or something it doesn't interrupt it (like SS's ult)

Anyone know about this?
it still works. also get blink dagger and blink away when he jumps in.
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:41 AM   #16
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what is SB and MM
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:59 AM   #17
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Yeah, blink is a great idea. Better than force. I think blink is the way to go. Always try to anticipate it and try your best.

SB = shadow blade
MM = mask of madness
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Old 07-27-2012, 10:00 AM   #18
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There's something i tried a couple days ago, when i see a void i autopick witch doctor. You stay behind, the more far the better, you place the tanky man in the front (let's suppose : a dk) you wait for void to blink chrono, you place your death ward in the chrono from far. Some pretty messed up teamfight. They will kinda fell obliged to kill the guys that are in the chrono, realising too late that all the dps comes from the death ward. Death ward lvl3 + aghanim is really no joke, as long as you keep that positionning
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Old 07-27-2012, 11:54 AM   #19
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Default Re: Is there ANY counter/defense to Chronosphere?

Chronosphere being virtually unstoppable is the reason Void is ever picked. After he learns to fake out your Ghost Scepter, all you can do is buy evasion and armor, otherwise you have to bail with Blink and such as soon as you see him in lategame.
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:01 PM   #20
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Default Re: Is there ANY counter/defense to Chronosphere?

Naga pretty much. First of all, her illusions counter Void's bash, her net counters Void's jump, and her ultimate counters his, as long as she doesn't get caught inside it.
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:17 PM   #21
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Strategy? Spread your team. Disable him from outside the chrono
Ghost scepter and blademail only works if you anticipate the chrono. Don't listen to the theorycrafters above.
Spread your team isn't always an option if they could jump any of you, and Void has a 1200 range initiation.
Also, Force Staff, lots of it.
If you say it doesn't work inside the Chronosphere in response to my post, you're right, and stupid at the same time.
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:41 PM   #22
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Eul and HH tend to do very well against it.
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Old 07-27-2012, 07:35 PM   #23
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Default Re: Is there ANY counter/defense to Chronosphere?

Blademail not necessarily effective as a smart void will have BKB, so he wont take any reflected damage.
BKB piercing disables, Venges swap, spreading your team with ranged heroes, ghost scepter.
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Old 07-27-2012, 08:06 PM   #24
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Default Re: Is there ANY counter/defense to Chronosphere?

Positioning. Don't let void catch more than 1 hero in it and you'll be fine.

If he doesn't have a BKB, use stuns and attack disables on him to outlast sphere (invoker deafening + tornado for instance). If he does have a BKB he probably does not have enough damage to kill more than 1 reasonably tanky hero anyways. Also, ultimate based disables like Bane Elemental's grip and Rexxar's roar will still disable through it.

Allied force used to counter, but doesn't work anymore (heroes in chrono can't get pushed now).

I assume venge ghost then swap on allied hero will work.
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Old 07-27-2012, 10:40 PM   #25
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Default Re: Is there ANY counter/defense to Chronosphere?

there are tons of stuff but all of them will work only if you're outside Chrono duh.

a few mentions - OD Astral/SD Disruption, Pugna Decrepify, Guardian Angel etc. most of these will protect you against Void's physical DPS but not against his allies nukes.

Void's key is to get ranged enemies trapped inside so the enemy melees won't be able to get in. Unless these melees are actually casters with enough casting range to do something.
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Old 07-27-2012, 10:41 PM   #26
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the items you get MOM shadowblade and BKB are all totally screwed over by void. So make a different build. It really depends on what hero you get, but armour works good.
HOTD-> dominate ogre with frost armour + platemail = 23 armour just from those items.
void can't kill you unless he is really stacked. Of course get some HP too, 1k hp and 30 armour isnt good.

Your evasion doesn't work in chronosphere I think?

Obviously team strategies work, but I guess you are asking for a solo solution.

Or maybe don't try to go solo kill. wait behind your team, wait for void to jump your team and screw him from outside. Then your itembuild is ok, You just have to wait for him to show first. Maybe I would prefer 2 crystalis instead of lothar, that way u can make sure to kill him, Especially if he has MOM.
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Old 07-28-2012, 02:42 AM   #27
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Default Re: Is there ANY counter/defense to Chronosphere?

There are many ways of greatly limiting his power:

Lesh/Krob have strong ults that aren't deactivated by Chrono,outdamaging Void till lategame,and they have pushing power so Void is the non-hero factor for a good time.

Kunkka/Rexxar can disable Void during Chrono.Kunkka can do it from afar,but not so good after BKB,while Rexxar disables closer but with BKB piercing.

Lich/THD can limit his DPS with 3rd skill,while ult loves disabled enemies.


If even so you think he is powerful,then get a real strong lategamer hardcarry and get Aegis.Void will spend almost all Chrono's duration to kill you(if he manages to do it),while [kenshiro]YOU WILL BE BACK[/kenshiro].
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