[IMPLEMENTED][NEUTRAL CAMP] Harpy's Debut

L|Enzo · 11-08-2009, 03:43 PM

Hello all..
It's me again ^_^ I'm coming with an idea for the sake of the diversity of neutral creeps.. Yup, I'm proposing to add Harpy - a real flying unit..

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Justification

Of all non-ancient neutrals, none are flying units.
Ofc, for the diversity of neutrals.
I give it Chain Lightning, a skill which is now not of any heroes
Hmm, it seems un-needed to somebody, but originally I want to replace the camp of 1 Kobold + 2 Trolls, coz we have already one camp of all Trolls and one camp of all Kobolds.. Once more, I claim that I want diversity ^_^

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Screenies

Credits of this pic: Crusher[CLF]-my friend

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Alternatives: Credits to Schremba

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Option 1: I like it more

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Harpy Queen
Level 5
Damage: 45~50

Type: Piercing
Range: 400
Speed: Average

Armor: 3

Type: Light
Movespeed: Fast

HP: 850/850
Mana: 100/100
Sight: 450/250
Ability

Chain Lighning: 50 mana cost, 100 initial damage, jumps 3 times, cooldown: 6s, casting range: 450

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or

Harpy Maid
Level 2
Damage: 18~25

Type: Piercing
Range: 400
Speed: Average

Armor: 1

Type: Light
Movespeed: Fast

HP: 400/100
Mana: N/A
Sight: 400/200
Ability
None

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You may say Chen and Enchantress will have more power, nevertheless numbers can be changed to reach the balance..

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Option 2: Nerf all the statistics and abilities, make them below-average neutrals who could be something "equal" to the camp of 1 Kobold and 2 Trolls.. However, Harpy Queen has Trueshot Aura which buffs 15% damage for allies ranged units in 350 AoE

PS: Harpy is good for a hero model, too

Necro · 11-08-2009, 04:06 PM

Hmm, I always support new neutral camps. BUT, the Troll + Kobolds are from the small camp, these are too powerful for that! I suggest you don't remake any camp, or get rid of that annoying 2BrownSatyr+2BlueSatyr camp.

L|Enzo · 11-08-2009, 04:14 PM

So we could take Option 2 ^_^ I love the 4 Satyr, haha ^_^

Schremba · 11-08-2009, 04:19 PM

I give you a T-up if you replace current Harpy Maid model with the Blue Sorceress Harpy. The Queen and the Blue Harpy are ugly, perfect for neutrals, but of all three models the normal Harpy would look best as a hero. I already T-up on the idea.

L|Enzo · 11-08-2009, 04:25 PM

@Schremba
thanks for your support.. Could u give me the icon and model of the Blue Sorceress Harpy.. if I'm not wrong, it's the other model of Harpy left..

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this one?

PS: Harpy Maid is the name I give it for DotA LOL

Schremba · 11-08-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by L|Enzo

@Schremba
thanks for your support.. Could u give me the icon and model of the Blue Sorceress Harpy.. if I'm not wrong, it's the other model of Harpy left..

PS: Harpy Maid is the name I give it for DotA LOL

You already got the icon, yeah, I'm talking about the last Harpy. I can't upload a good picture right now, I use another PC. I can do it tomorrow. And I KNOW that the normal Harpy has another model anme (I believe its Harpy Rogue, but I'm not sure about it). Keep the name, change the model.

コクーン · 11-08-2009, 05:40 PM

Um some people are actually making heroes out of Harpies, *cough*.

Schremba · 11-08-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MegaWeedle

Um some people are actually making heroes out of Harpies, *cough*.

I helped you without knowing it. You could thsnk me =)

コクーン · 11-08-2009, 06:57 PM

Wait.. Whut? How?

EDIT: Oh. I see. Thanks... I guess. :S

EDIT2: @L|Enzo: Can I borrow this screenie?

And by borrow I mean use it for my own selfish needs. [click my sig. or this. its the same thing xD]

NoThlnG · 11-09-2009, 02:57 AM

Hmm... How about making harpies as alternatives for ancients instead? Since you can dominate flying creeps if this goes on....

L|Enzo · 11-09-2009, 04:07 AM

@MegaWeedle: ok, just do it if u like ^_^
actually, I like to have a hero idea of Harpy, too.. (and several other models) I will post at the soonest time xD coz I'm busy with my academia +_+ don't have much time online..

@NoThIng: for Ancients, I'd like to include Giant Sea Turtle, it fits more, I guess
for Harpy: yup, we need new blood of flying neutrals :P numbers can be tweaked to reach the balance, ofc dominating flying neutrals is a bit imba...

FireS · 11-09-2009, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by L|Enzo

ofc dominating flying neutrals is a bit imba...

I think it's SO MUCH imbaness... IMHO getting rid of the flying part and making harpys an earth "floating" unit does the balance.

Till then, T-Null.

dominator02 · 11-09-2009, 06:44 AM

like the dragons are ancient that cannot be dominated or converted,the harpies is like imba that you make them a watcher because of flying that hold position them somewhere in the map and they are not like a ancient creeps and more like medium creeps.

L|Enzo · 11-09-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dominator02

like the dragons are ancient that cannot be dominated or converted,the harpies is like imba that you make them a watcher because of flying that hold position them somewhere in the map and they are not like a ancient creeps and more like medium creeps.

that's what makes the difference which is my point..
and Oops, we need to work on the sight range Day and Night??
Could someone help me on this? what is the sight range of Revenants of Visage now?? I need a benchmark..
Thank you..

мusịĸ · 11-09-2009, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by L|Enzo

that's what makes the difference which is my point..
and Oops, we need to work on the sight range Day and Night??
Could someone help me on this? what is the sight range of Revenants of Visage now?? I need a benchmark..
Thank you..

600|400
Day|night.

[SOM]Js · 11-09-2009, 03:29 PM

this will be interesting... dominated harpies? good roshan scouts i suppose..

Schremba · 11-09-2009, 05:44 PM

Hey, I added pictures. Check them out. It looks better imo.

L|Enzo · 11-10-2009, 03:06 AM

@ Lakusuine: thx ^_^
@ Schremba: thx you so much, coz you're so interested in it. thx for the sreenies
btw, Harpy Queen and Harpy Sorceress are just ugly if we look at the icons..
all Harpies look almost the same, just diff. in color.. in jungle, we just see their outer appearance not icons ^_^
PS: Tiny sight range added to prevent much abuses

Fate Trap · 11-10-2009, 03:09 PM

I think we should make Heroes out of Harpies

Schremba · 11-10-2009, 05:48 PM

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I think we should make Heroes out of Harpies

There are 3 Harpy models ingame. I'm sure that there will NEVER be 3 Harpy heros. So I think it would be lever to use the other 2 models for neutrals...

11-08-2009, 04:06 PM	#2
Necro Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: India Posts: 1,506	Re: [NEUTRAL CAMP] Harpy's Debut Hmm, I always support new neutral camps. BUT, the Troll + Kobolds are from the small camp, these are too powerful for that! I suggest you don't remake any camp, or get rid of that annoying 2BrownSatyr+2BlueSatyr camp. __________________ Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain. Puck Aghanim's Effect \| Invoker Victory Animation \| Shapeshift Sound Against the Ropes on www.DotA-Allstars.com.

11-08-2009, 04:14 PM	#3
L\|Enzo Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,040 Blog Entries: 4	Re: [NEUTRAL CAMP] Harpy's Debut So we could take Option 2 ^_^ I love the 4 Satyr, haha ^_^ __________________

11-08-2009, 04:19 PM	#4
Schremba Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 2,975	Re: [NEUTRAL CAMP] Harpy's Debut I give you a T-up if you replace current Harpy Maid model with the Blue Sorceress Harpy. The Queen and the Blue Harpy are ugly, perfect for neutrals, but of all three models the normal Harpy would look best as a hero. I already T-up on the idea. __________________ Improve DotA's Terrain Improve Visage's Gravekeeper's Cloak Change the model of the Shop/Protectorate

11-08-2009, 05:40 PM	#7
コクーン Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 6,292 Blog Entries: 3	Re: [NEUTRAL CAMP] Harpy's Debut Um some people are actually making heroes out of Harpies, cough.

11-08-2009, 06:57 PM	#9
コクーン Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 6,292 Blog Entries: 3	Re: [NEUTRAL CAMP] Harpy's Debut Wait.. Whut? How? EDIT: Oh. I see. Thanks... I guess. :S EDIT2: @L\|Enzo: Can I borrow this screenie? And by borrow I mean use it for my own selfish needs. [click my sig. or this. its the same thing xD]

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11-09-2009, 02:57 AM	#10
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11-09-2009, 04:07 AM	#11
L\|Enzo Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,040 Blog Entries: 4	Re: [NEUTRAL CAMP] Harpy's Debut @MegaWeedle: ok, just do it if u like ^_^ actually, I like to have a hero idea of Harpy, too.. (and several other models) I will post at the soonest time xD coz I'm busy with my academia +_+ don't have much time online.. @NoThIng: for Ancients, I'd like to include Giant Sea Turtle, it fits more, I guess for Harpy: yup, we need new blood of flying neutrals :P numbers can be tweaked to reach the balance, ofc dominating flying neutrals is a bit imba... __________________

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11-09-2009, 06:44 AM	#13
dominator02 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Philippines Posts: 7,621	Re: [NEUTRAL CAMP] Harpy's Debut like the dragons are ancient that cannot be dominated or converted,the harpies is like imba that you make them a watcher because of flying that hold position them somewhere in the map and they are not like a ancient creeps and more like medium creeps. __________________

11-09-2009, 03:29 PM	#16
[SOM]Js Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Kuala Lumpur, MYS Posts: 597 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [NEUTRAL CAMP] Harpy's Debut this will be interesting... dominated harpies? good roshan scouts i suppose.. __________________ Suggestion Signature Give Gem of Truesight some LURVE Other cosmetics by [SOM]Js

11-09-2009, 05:44 PM	#17
Schremba Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 2,975	Re: [NEUTRAL CAMP] Harpy's Debut Hey, I added pictures. Check them out. It looks better imo. __________________ Improve DotA's Terrain Improve Visage's Gravekeeper's Cloak Change the model of the Shop/Protectorate

11-10-2009, 03:06 AM	#18
L\|Enzo Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,040 Blog Entries: 4	Re: [NEUTRAL CAMP] Harpy's Debut @ Lakusuine: thx ^_^ @ Schremba: thx you so much, coz you're so interested in it. thx for the sreenies btw, Harpy Queen and Harpy Sorceress are just ugly if we look at the icons.. all Harpies look almost the same, just diff. in color.. in jungle, we just see their outer appearance not icons ^_^ PS: Tiny sight range added to prevent much abuses __________________

11-10-2009, 03:09 PM	#19
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