2 big streams today LoL/Dota2 - wtf really

[Ignis]

What the actual fuk did I see today? ~23k watching The Defense final today and about 60k people watching some LoL tournament.
I saw a link my facebook feed about the LoL thing, so I decided to give it a shot... AFTER 25 FREAKING MINUTES of farming the score was 1:2 (THAT's TOTAL KILLS FOR THE TEAMS). Why do people enjoy watching that shit?! It's meta is obviously inferior to Dota2, it's graphics are SO.BAD. compared to Dota2's, even the sounds, icons well I'd say just about everything is a lot worse.. Yet more people enjoy watching 10 guys farming the shit out of huge waves of creeps (there's no deny in LoL so they're pretty much just standing there hitting AI for 20 freaking minutes) instead of action packed - visually MORE appealing games. What is this faggotry? Can anyone please explain to me why this is happening?


TL;DR

[McMarto]

LoL currently has more fans than Dota 2. That's not a surprise. However, I see many people in the forums and in the game that has switched from LoL to Dota, while I haven't heard any Dota player to switch to LoL, so I guess people will understand which game is better sooner or later.

[wesai]

It's because LoL is more popular than Dota in some countries (USA for example). They were first introduced to it, they like it. I was first introduced to Dota, I like Dota. I think it goes somewhere along those lines.

I do think too that Dota players watch less because the picking phase takes forever. It's much more fun to just get in the game client and play it by yourself (I tried to watch today Mouz vs coL, in the picking phase I was like "ahh, I guess I'll play Dota instead or else I'll end up just watching and not playing").

Also, try comparing soccer to basketball: One takes forever for a goal to happen, most of the time it will be even, it's rare for more than 3 goals to happen in one match and etc etc, not only that but it takes 90 minutes to end. That is the argument that some of my friends were using against me and saying that basketball is much better, lots of scores all game, action packed and etc...

But in the end, I enjoy watching soccer, that's what I grew fond of, that's what I love! Maybe this is the same case between LoL and Dota? I reckon that even though soccer and basketball are very different, and LoL and Dota are much less different than the example I mentioned, I still think it might be the same case.

Although I am on Dota's side, I tried LoL before, played with people who are close to me, I still would enjoy Dota more. And personally, everyone that I know that was a former LoL player, they end up saying that Dota 2 is light-years ahead of LoL. Of course, that's personal experience so I can't speak for everybody.

Maybe these streams please them the same way people would (and they do) watch a live chess match? Or is it because Dota players like to watch VODs or replays more than the live thing? I have no idea. Someone should run a research!

[DemonDays]

LoL has a more press cover than dota2 in USA (most videogame sites has the people on the staff playing it), and is really popular in korea and china. dota2 hasnt been released yet so thats understandable.
Btw i dont think that dota2 will be more popular than lol in the near future, its fanbase is pretty stablished, and to make the comparison just watch any justin beiber video on youtube and youll understand how the world works.

[Ignis]

@wesai
I don't know about you but I fully enjoy watching drafts of every game, especially grand finals or clashes of big teams.. drafting is a HUGE part of the game. Even the best team in the world would lose if they have a horrible draft. Although it was hard to observe, IMO valve did a great job in showing the drafting phase to the spectators (i.e. the new picking screen with the cards)


I dunno mens... The ONLY explination I have is that the players who watch that piece of crap tournament either 1)never heard about Dota2 2)Don't have a key for Dota2 3)HURR DURR LOL IS BETTER?!?!

[DemonDays]

ok, so this thread has potential to become a "dude lol sucks, dota2 is the real deal" so il just post this video and youll understand why lol is popular

[wesai]

Originally Posted by Ignis

@wesai
I don't know about you but I fully enjoy watching drafts of every game, especially grand finals or clashes of big teams.. drafting is a HUGE part of the game. Even the best team in the world would lose if they have a horrible draft. Although it was hard to observe, IMO valve did a great job in showing the drafting phase to the spectators (i.e. the new picking screen with the cards)


I dunno mens... The ONLY explination I have is that the players who watch that piece of crap tournament either 1)never heard about Dota2 2)Don't have a key for Dota2 3)HURR DURR LOL IS BETTER?!?!

Sometimes I enjoy too, but in my case, I don't get to have that much spare time. And Dota is a fun game, would rather spending my time playing it than watching. Unless I want to get better with a certain difficult hero, then I am all for watching and improving my gameplay.

The best part of the picking phase is when a team does surprise picks. That I like!

We need to see what and how Valve will advertise Dota. Usually it can do pretty fine just by people's mouth (like Dota 1 for Wc3), but a little bit of advertisement wouldn't hurt.

I think Riot does brainwash LoL players a bit too. They are always saying Dota heroes are either too complex or "anti-fun". And they try to put it in a such a way that they will make it believable. The players that were converted from LoL to Dota never browsed their forums or even talked about MOBAI know, I hate the term too, not fitting IMO. It will only succeed because the large public is already acknowledging that MOBA are Dota-like games. That's the only way the word MOBA can be really descriptive games with others, so they were very open-minded when trying Dota. Result: They liked it!

Don't quote me on this but, if I remember well, Riot was advertising LoL as a sequel for Dota, an "improved game with no longer the flaws its predecessor had". That's when the "brainwashingAKA business" started.

Correct me if I am wrong.

[slasherboy89]

Why should we care if the LoL tournament had more people watching it than Dota 2? How does it affect us in any way?

[slence]

It's very obvious, LoL is more popular than Dota 2.

[manusa]

you take gaming too seriously.

grow up

[mooning_cat]

CoD got more fans than Bf
LoL got more fans than DotA

Life is life, the dumb ppl are always more.

[moon31f]

Game population.

If you never had the chance to taste oranges, how can you say they are better than lemons?

You sound mad D:

[jsrnn]

Why would it bother you? I would much rather prefer a good game than a popular one. It's all good as long as I can find 9 other people who are inclined to play.

Do I think LoL is a terrible game? Yes. Do I care if it could be 13153134 more succesful then Dota 2 ever be? Nope. Caring about game's success/popularity is Valve's job. I really don't understand people who care so much if their game is popular or not. The players duty is just to enjoy the goddamn thing.

Also as proven many times in various topics(music, games, books, pop culture, etc) subject's popularity has no influence on it's quality. Hell on the contrary the quality usually gets even worse the more popular the subject is.

So "This is so terrible how could so many people watch it?" is not a very good basis for your argument.