Morph shouldn't work while Morphling is silenced.

burningsera · 08-30-2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MadCom

What about Pudge's rot? Radiance? Void's backtrak, PA evasive, all other passives? Should they also don't work silenced, stuned? Why just pick morph?

rot is balanced itself (please) and the rest you mentioned is unreliable like morph (luck vs 1 click????).

lilaznelementz · 08-30-2012, 02:57 PM

any trigger on/off skill will still work while disabled (stun/silence). lesh ult and pudge rot will still work once its on before being disabled. they just wont be able to turn off while disabled.

CvP · 08-30-2012, 02:59 PM

I actually like the idea. At least temporarily stopping morhing while being silenced...

Dark Rogue · 08-30-2012, 03:01 PM

Yes, it does need to stop when he gets silenced. If it stops Permanent Invisibility, which is a passive, I don't see why it shouldn't stop Morph.

Claire Farron · 08-30-2012, 03:02 PM

Yeah! Agree with OP. After I read OP's post, I feel a little weird on my sig and I think the public should know about it too.

I am wondering why I keep saving my sig(from User CP) as

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disrup3 afraid to accept the truth in front of him? So, he clean up all my posts only? *vomitting*
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and...

my sig still appear as this

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The morphing which means changing of form remind me of that. I hope someone can explain it.

Typhox · 08-30-2012, 03:07 PM

pilz · 08-30-2012, 03:11 PM

It's not a passive it's a toggleable skill. In fact you can just leftclick it and morph 1 time, so autocast just casts it again and again. So just do not cast another instance when you are silenced/hexed/stunned and SHOULDNT BE ABLE TO CAST A NEW SPELL.

RandomPasserby · 08-30-2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Aircross

Morphing to STR =/= healing or hp regen. He still gets hp.

I've seen it happen many times.

No

Y-O-D-A · 08-30-2012, 03:21 PM

Not saying he shouldn't be balanced, but why all the sudden hate on morphling? He isn't even a ban priority yet, and there are plenty of other strong picks. Is it because he is a carry, which makes it appear like he is too strong? If he really was as brocken as everyone in this thread seems to say he is, wouldn't he just be a top ban like lycan or naga, DS?

xpforever · 08-30-2012, 03:26 PM

What if Morph was changed to a channeled ability with a cooldown? It would still retain the original concept (switch between glass cannon and tanky) but it wouldn't be a bullshit ability on a hero that already has 2 escapes. So instead of just temporarily stopping it while silenced, you can completely shut it down.

ShowThemHell · 08-30-2012, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by xpforever

What if Morph was changed to a channeled ability with a cooldown? It would still retain the original concept (switch between glass cannon and tanky) but it wouldn't be a bullshit ability on a hero that already has 2 escapes. So instead of just temporarily stopping it while silenced, you can completely shut it down.

...And he would never be picked again.

Uncle_Zhuge · 08-30-2012, 03:40 PM

Something should also be done about Ethereal Blade just usable by Morphling. The fact that he can easily 2-hit a support at range is just ridiculous.

xpforever · 08-30-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ShowThemHell

...And he would never be picked again.

He would still have 2 escape mechanisms, would still be able to eblade supports to death, would still have 300 agi lategame. He just wouldn't be hilariously overpowered.

ShowThemHell · 08-30-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by xpforever

He would still have 2 escape mechanisms, would still be able to eblade supports to death, would still have 300 agi lategame. He just wouldn't be hilariously overpowered.

If he try to one shot a support, he'll die with that support, so that'll be one carry exchange for 1 support.

About escape mech, look at puck.

Star_Saber · 08-30-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiesce

Such valid points.
This single nerf will balance him completely, instead of the imbalanced mess that he is now.

It will take more than that to address the imbalanced mess than it is now.

drdrack · 08-30-2012, 04:19 PM

As the only dude here who believe morphing is not oped, i agree completely on this tweak. not because it's oped ofc, but because it's very cheap.

xpforever · 08-30-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ShowThemHell

If he try to one shot a support, he'll die with that support, so that'll be one carry exchange for 1 support.

About escape mech, look at puck.

Puck has been used in TI2 with great success. Puck also isn't one of the hardest carries in the game. Who cares if you can't kill a Puck? You don't need to shut a puck down that badly. Morphling, on the other hand, can and will rape your team if you don't.

As I posted somewhere else, the concept behind Morphling is nice but it ends up being too powerful in general. The concept of being able to switch between DPS and survivability is nice, but lategame a morph can go full agi morph and still have a lot of HP, 40 base armor, 300 base damage, etc. He ends up being unkillable and having way too much DPS. Of course the counterarguments will be the same as with any other carry:
1. Gank him and you'll be fine
2. Push and end before he comes online
Gank him? Good luck with that. Not saying it's impossible, just disproportionately hard. Push before he comes online? Despite carrying hard, his early game isn't even weak. He's just too strong at any given point in the game.

almosthuman · 08-30-2012, 04:25 PM

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About escape mech, look at puck.

tell me more about puck, please.

teng) · 08-30-2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ShowThemHell

AA ulti does not stop morph...

And he can even toggle it while being stunned. How retard is that?

LOL

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Originally Posted by Aircross

Morphing to STR =/= healing or hp regen. He still gets hp.

I've seen it happen many times.

HAHAHAHA

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Originally Posted by Felathar

True dat.... plus AA ult is purely skill based since you have to aim really well to hit him... and you have a 50-50 chance you will miss..

Morph is broken and should be changed. That's the only balance the hero needs.

ROFL

PD pRos theorycraft > world.

McMarto · 08-30-2012, 06:06 PM

Better disable the ability to cast Morph while disabled. Right now you can cast it while stunned, you can't cast it while silenced. So I'd say, if you're stunned - you can't start morphing, but it still continues if you started it before the stun/silence.
Reason 1: Let's not make Morph completely useless, hurting his most important skill too much.
Reason 2: If you can disable him before he casts Morph, that will be your reward for a good gang. Right now it doesn't really matter how good your gang is since he can use Morph anytime, so the only way to ignore Morph in the early game is an overkill - like 1000 burst damage.

08-30-2012, 02:57 PM	#22
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08-30-2012, 03:21 PM	#29
Y-O-D-A Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,841	Re: Morph shouldn't work while Morphling is silenc Not saying he shouldn't be balanced, but why all the sudden hate on morphling? He isn't even a ban priority yet, and there are plenty of other strong picks. Is it because he is a carry, which makes it appear like he is too strong? If he really was as brocken as everyone in this thread seems to say he is, wouldn't he just be a top ban like lycan or naga, DS? __________________

08-30-2012, 03:26 PM	#30
xpforever Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 1,851	Re: Morph shouldn't work while Morphling is silenc What if Morph was changed to a channeled ability with a cooldown? It would still retain the original concept (switch between glass cannon and tanky) but it wouldn't be a bullshit ability on a hero that already has 2 escapes. So instead of just temporarily stopping it while silenced, you can completely shut it down. __________________ Typical AM player:

08-30-2012, 03:40 PM	#32
Uncle_Zhuge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,253 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Morph shouldn't work while Morphling is silenc Something should also be done about Ethereal Blade just usable by Morphling. The fact that he can easily 2-hit a support at range is just ridiculous. __________________ Soul Patch and Sideburns cops. Taking over the world one cameo at a time.

08-30-2012, 04:19 PM	#36
drdrack Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 478	Re: Morph shouldn't work while Morphling is silenc As the only dude here who believe morphing is not oped, i agree completely on this tweak. not because it's oped ofc, but because it's very cheap.

08-30-2012, 06:06 PM	#40
McMarto Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Varna, Bulgaria Posts: 1,363	Re: Morph shouldn't work while Morphling is silenc Better disable the ability to cast Morph while disabled. Right now you can cast it while stunned, you can't cast it while silenced. So I'd say, if you're stunned - you can't start morphing, but it still continues if you started it before the stun/silence. Reason 1: Let's not make Morph completely useless, hurting his most important skill too much. Reason 2: If you can disable him before he casts Morph, that will be your reward for a good gang. Right now it doesn't really matter how good your gang is since he can use Morph anytime, so the only way to ignore Morph in the early game is an overkill - like 1000 burst damage. __________________ My Inventory. PM with offer if you like something.