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Old 09-08-2012, 04:07 AM   #1
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Default what your item build for Sven?!!


hi guys, its me (again)

some day, my friend and my brother so very dejected on me, they said: "will you stop using that ranged heroes!! Alleria, Traxex, only these girls that you can hadle?? are you willing to marry them!!?

so in my upset, i must follow their order. and i go with sven,
i confuse how will i build this guy.
so i go around, visiting any guide on this forum, and after that i decide to use this item build

pt
S&Y
vanguard
buriza do kyanon
vlad/ satanic
cuirras



if that weird, tell me how i should build him properly?

sorry for bad english, i on the bad mood when wrote this......
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Old 09-08-2012, 04:10 AM   #2
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I play Sven as support so my build is pretty simple and cheap.
Soul ring, PT, Urn, Medal, Bottle and TP.
When the game gets longer, I will sell the Bottle and Soul Ring and get myself Blink as well as BKB, initiation will be much better.
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Old 09-08-2012, 04:19 AM   #3
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Treads
Urn
Dagger

gank and push

BKB
Cuirass

clash and win
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Old 09-08-2012, 04:20 AM   #4
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Default Re: what your item build for Sven?!!

Here's something that's cheap, yet functional:

For Laning:

TranqBoots
Soul Ring
PMS


Mid-Game Stuff:

Blink Dagger
Vit Boost
Drums


Optional stuff for Power Gankers

MoC
UoS
Magic Stick/Wand


Something to be considered:

Vlads
Blade Mail


Entering Late Game:

BKB
Halberd



Very Late Game and your preferred Luxuries:

HoT
Buriza
AC
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Old 09-08-2012, 04:33 AM   #5
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Default Re: what your item build for Sven?!!

It is best to play him as a low farm support/roamer that transitions into semi carry with an extremely cheap core.

Item Build:
Tranquil + Stick/Wand/basi + Urn or MoC
Bracer into Drums
Disassemble tranquil into vlads + Treads/phase

Luxury is Blink/bkb/HH in that order.
He does quite good damage with just Treads/phase + Vlads + Drums + Urn/Moc. The total cost is less than 6000 which is doable playing as a 3 or 4 on your team.

The problem with your build is it is extremely expensive.
You are wasting all your team's farm into a carry sven that fails to deliver because he is countered by slow/stun/forcestaff/eul
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Old 09-08-2012, 04:43 AM   #6
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Arcane
Blink
Guinsoo / force staff / Eul

Seriously, you are only a walking stun.
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Old 09-08-2012, 04:45 AM   #7
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i often purchase battle furry for him, after i get S&Y
what do you think?

am not starting with 5vs5 am start in 3vs3 first
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Old 09-08-2012, 04:47 AM   #8
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Arcane
Blink
Guinsoo / force staff / Eul

Seriously, you are only a walking stun.
Seems likely if you don't build him for dealing damage.

A Treads/Blink/BKB build extending into Satanic, Basher or AC usually lets him carry reasonably. He's still Sven, and he's not all that impressive, but it's better than saying "fuck it" and being a walking stun.
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Old 09-08-2012, 05:06 AM   #9
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A Treads/Blink/BKB build extending into Satanic, Basher or AC usually lets him carry reasonably. He's still Sven, and he's not all that impressive, but it's better than saying "fuck it" and being a walking stun.
But thats exactly what he is. And, having some heroes that can do that and some more, sven has no role in competitve gaming. But, exactly by being sp unespecific in its roll, you can be quite flexible in your builds in those meaningless 3x3 or 1x1 (@OP), where the only thing in check is your 'dominance' over your brother/friend/whatever. I'm not going into specifics here, but in those situations, you don't wanna go support builds.You have to stay alive and have some laning presence/killing capabilities. Figure it out, make some tests, but always have in mind that what you're doing doesn't fit any serious gaming.
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Old 09-08-2012, 05:12 AM   #10
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Default Re: what your item build for Sven?!!

Sven is cool hero, and can be played with variation from game to game.

My favourite and propably most cost-efficient build for late-mid / early-late-game powerhouse is:


Boots of Speed
Soul Ring
(A mix of Urn, Bracer, Null, Wand, Medallion, Bottle depending on the situation)
Power Treads
HotD (For ancient stacking and later Satanic)
Crystalys
BKB
Buriza (if you got money for it)
Assault Cuirass (if you got money for it)
Satanic (if you got money for it)
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Old 09-08-2012, 05:12 AM   #11
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If sidelane tranq forcestaff (yep)

carry = phase, drumb, bkb, yasha, crystalis
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Old 09-08-2012, 05:17 AM   #12
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sven rly love a lot of 2k range items (drum, blink, mom, crit/sange+upgrades, armlet) so trying to capitalize on that when you hit bkb is rather effective.

Unlike just about any meleestyle dpser basher tend to be underwhelming, since you'll be dealing a good 500 dmg per hit with a sub 10k build at 16 odds are targets die before you can proc bash.
Example build: treads drum armlet bkb, often you can squeeze in another 2k item before needing bkb, assuming you started getting cleave at 7/8, past bkb you can generally get heart/ac/daddycrit/supersange however you like.

e\ sven is weak on a very low budget, but can work wonders with a reasonable small one.
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Old 09-08-2012, 06:47 AM   #13
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i often purchase battle furry for him, after i get S&Y
what do you think?

am not starting with 5vs5 am start in 3vs3 first
Battle fury on him is like Battle fury on dark seer. You are a support, not farmer. And you have your own useless cleave. Don't level it btw, take stats and max cleave at levels 21-25.
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Old 09-08-2012, 07:07 AM   #14
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You could try a more pub/fun oriented build with:
BKB+MoM
Before that you need Treads and something for mana. I find that wand+jango is often enough.
With that build, you're a midgame god. But beware if you start carrying too hard, the enemy will just build diffusal and you'll be back to being semi useless.

Luxury: HoT, Buriza.
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Old 09-08-2012, 09:10 AM   #15
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i often purchase battle furry for him, after i get S&Y
what do you think?

am not starting with 5vs5 am start in 3vs3 first
BKB will be much better in any case.
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Old 09-08-2012, 09:27 AM   #16
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TB -> Soul Ring -> Drums -> Blink -> BKB -> MoM is excellent.
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Old 09-08-2012, 09:39 AM   #17
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PT, Blink, BKB, Armlet, whatever tf you want(usually some armor like AC or HH)
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Old 09-08-2012, 09:42 AM   #18
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Anyone may have said this but I didnt' read it all so here I go. Sven, is one of rounded heroes. He can carry, he can support, he can gank (support), etc (if there are other roles in the game). Thus, the item-build you can have for this hero is unlimited. Enough said.
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Old 09-08-2012, 10:24 AM   #19
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Anyone may have said this but I didnt' read it all so here I go. Sven, is one of rounded heroes. He can carry, he can support, he can gank (support), etc (if there are other roles in the game). Thus, the item-build you can have for this hero is unlimited. Enough said.
You said nothing useful. He is just terrible at carrying and bad at supporting.
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Old 09-08-2012, 10:51 AM   #20
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You can always go pub build: Treads --> MoM --> BKB
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Old 09-08-2012, 11:07 AM   #21
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Sven is absolultely shit if you make him pure carry.

Sven is absolutely shit if you make him a pure support.

You need to mix and match items to help him be a hero that is useful early-late.

I quite like the following build,

Phase+Urn+Jango->Blink+Vitbooster

The idea is that you move fast and hit hard while still being very hard to focus due to your HP. This build doesn't go for the conventional BKB as I feel kiting issues remain either way, and with a tanky build you may as well tank some stuns for your (harder carry) allies.

Blink is quite a useful item in that it actually allows you to land some hits on opponents on a non bkb build. Forcestaff is an alternative if you have mana problems but with my build all you need is an occasional ally arcane and it should be fine.

You can later extend Vit booster into HoT and then go either HotD or Mjolnir builds (very interesting as the static charge works wonders on non bkb sven and the AS is certainly appretiated).
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Old 09-08-2012, 11:09 AM   #22
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i often purchase battlefurry to handle a heavy pusher and its mana regen seems good
i build him as semi carry, for support.... i don't think so i am not talented to be a support
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Old 09-08-2012, 02:48 PM   #23
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Default Re: what your item build for Sven?!!

Sorry for thread hijacking but I don't want to open another Sven thread when there is one here:

Those who find Sven shit/underpowered/whatever, what would you suggest to pick instead? I mean from the str heroes pool who would do whatever Sven does, only better.
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Old 09-08-2012, 03:02 PM   #24
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Sorry for thread hijacking but I don't want to open another Sven thread when there is one here:

Those who find Sven shit/underpowered/whatever, what would you suggest to pick instead? I mean from the str heroes pool who would do whatever Sven does, only better.
CK.
Better stun
More mobility
Better pusher
Better carry
Less weakness against kiting and forcestaff.
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Old 09-08-2012, 03:23 PM   #25
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hi guys, its me (again)

some day, my friend and my brother so very dejected on me, they said: "will you stop using that ranged heroes!! Alleria, Traxex, only these girls that you can hadle?? are you willing to marry them!!?

so in my upset, i must follow their order. and i go with sven,
i confuse how will i build this guy.
so i go around, visiting any guide on this forum, and after that i decide to use this item build

pt
S&Y
vanguard
buriza do kyanon

vlad/ satanic
cuirras



if that weird, tell me how i should build him properly?

sorry for bad english, i on the bad mood when wrote this......
I don't think S&Y is good for him.
Get vanguard if you're going for a tank build, though i think armlet would be much better. Synergises with his ulti, and gives you some hp as well.

Get buriza only in very late game, if you're owning.
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Old 09-08-2012, 03:53 PM   #26
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CK.
Better stun
More mobility
Better pusher
Better carry
Less weakness against kiting and forcestaff.
Is he a better support, though?
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Old 09-08-2012, 04:09 PM   #27
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Is he a better support, though?
Is sven a good support?
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Old 09-08-2012, 04:43 PM   #28
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Is he a better support, though?
Sven is *forced* to play support as he's outdone by anyone else in his ganker/semi-carry role. Not because he's a particularly good at supporting.

If anything, I'd say that a support Sven "supports" as well as a support Leoric, only that Sven can help push a tower or two with God's Strength.
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Is sven a good support?
Is Sven a support?
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Old 09-08-2012, 05:40 PM   #30
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Is Sven a support?
Now tell me, why did you ask if CK is better at supporting than Sven?
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Old 09-08-2012, 05:42 PM   #31
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Tiny is better than Sven in EVERY SINGLE ASPECT (as long as you don't start nitpicking trivial shit). I really feel the poor bastard needs some sort of remake.

As far as Items go, BKB+MoM is probably the only thing that can keep you damaging ANYTHING at all. Sure, it's risky and you'll be taking a heap of extra damage, but it's better than just dying to random AOE. Something along the lines of jango+MoM+Warcry will give you a tremendous MS boost, while BKB will hopefully deflect ALL possible stuns and slows from you (just showing how much more useless you are when faced with Beastmaster or Windrunner).

Sporting +40-50% MS for 5-6 seconds can allow you to overcome those pesky forcestaffs and allow you to actually land 2-3 hits worth 600-900 damage. When you add in your stun, you may actually become more than a simple non-factor.

If, however you find yourself having an exceptionally good start, the DPS increase from Armlet+MoM will have you 2 or 3 shotting anything by that point. The risk you're running however, is have the entire enemy team start dedicating themselves to countering you. And that is EASY. Very easy.
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Old 09-08-2012, 05:45 PM   #32
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Now tell me, why did you ask if CK is better at supporting than Sven?
To know if CK is better at supporting than Sven.
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Old 09-08-2012, 05:58 PM   #33
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To know if CK is better at supporting than Sven.
Everyone knows that CK's optimal role is not supporting, however, it can be argued that CK's a somewhat better support than Sven. Sure, Storm Bolt is AoE (with a mediocre AoE), however, CK's Chaos Bolt stuns longer, and Reality Rift is much better than Warcry when ganking somebody (offers damage and blink at worst, can be a mini-swap at best). So his skillset is much better than Sven.

CK however has a lot of mana issues earlygame, which requires items. It might be remedied by getting stats and holding off leveling Reality Rift, however, you'd be losing a good amount of damage. Sven has the luxury of skipping Cleave earlygame, and leaving Warcry at level 1, and still be half-decent.
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Old 09-08-2012, 07:54 PM   #34
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why so much hate on sven?
Everyone afraid to carry the game?

Its like ill just throw stuns through all game with my soul ring and TB,

jesus christ he is a brutal killing machine that can 1x5 with any initiation in your team.
Farm->Win

Thats just how pub works, who are we kidding ourselves. Every pub game there will be HH, 3 Force staffs, and ghost scepter on each hero. Of course not, neither there will be any hard counter to sven.

So just go and carry the game, like a baws.

PT(str), 2 bracers< 10 min
into MoM

Max cleave at 12lv and stack ancients, farm woods and whatnot between teamfights.
He farms just as fast as AM with MoM.

Get BKB after MoM and it will guarantee you a teamfight win when you get it,

Finish buriza and end the game.

GET BALLS TO CARRY DAMNIT!
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If you're playing support just get cheap hp + utility items like urn, jango, tranquil - > vlad + treads, blink or force. Soul ring is generally a waste of gold, allied arcane boots is enough to keep your mana up (if it's not you should get AB yourself to support them). If you come into more farm you can always extend with BKB or blademail.

If you're not expected to support full-time you should probably still get the Jango, but follow it with Treads, BKB, optional Armlet OR SnY if mobility is needed OR a mask of madness (typically games won't go past this if you're not #1 carry in your team), Heart, Assault, critical strike.

Treads > Phase by FAR in terms of DPS by the way. +20 damage and 25 IAS beats the 24 damage of phase. Phase may be relevant for situations where mobility and avoiding creep blocks is highly valued, but in general it's a bad idea especially as you should usually get jango for mobility anyways.

What NOT to get: Battlefury (cleave is unnecessary and it adds LESS damage than a Heart would), Basher (again low damage compared to armlet or heart), Desolator.

Note: Sven is currently quite weak as a carry, but since his ability to support is lacking as well there's not really much of a role left for him, which is why I'm including both builds. No matter which you pick he will probably not be very useful against teams playing at your own skill level
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Old 09-09-2012, 02:07 AM   #37
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2 ways to play him:

1) Get babysitted for a 12 min bfury, max cleave, next item is blink, proceed to farm faster than AM and get stacked by 30-35 min
2) Play like a normal semi-carry/carry, get decent farm and go pt -> janggo -> blink -> bkb -> luxury
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you could do as support to Sven in the early game. he was dependent on the static, though.
but if you farmed very well, you could gank. if you were been harassed, you could not able to 'combo' all of his skills.

PT.int.or.str, soul ring, medallion, bottle.
shivas, dagger, cuirass, bkb. (madness is already an old school build on him, but not really that compatible in these new versions.)
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He's still Sven, and he's not all that impressive, but it's better than saying "fuck it" and being a walking stun.
This. This! Finally!
Stop playing him as support idiots. What are your arguments of him being a support? Want a stun? Take Venge. Want an aura? Take Venge. The reason he is the #1 least picked hero is because people were using him as a walking stun. Stun and die. Initiation? Yeah 200aoe is great for initating. I already said this 1000 times here, its used for COUNTER initiation. When they jump on u and surround ur carry/support/whoever, the stun will hit majority of them and that's when you use it.

He sucks at the moment, but he never was and never will be a support. End of story.
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Default Re: what your item build for Sven?!!

my thread becomes a debate section which argue sven's role as support or carry....


btw: thanks for your opinion and suggestion. i will appreciate that much
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