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Old 11-14-2009, 05:15 AM   #1
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Default Item build for Demon witch(Lion)


i need some help for demon Witch (Lion). need advise for its item build

if possible i also need advise in beating Viper using demon witch
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Old 11-14-2009, 05:19 AM   #2
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Default Re: Item build for Demon witch(Lion)

Good guide here.

Are you talking a 1 on 1 situation in regards to Viper? There are better heroes for that... Brood Mother, Bane Elemental, etc.
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Old 11-14-2009, 05:38 AM   #3
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for me DAGON,SHIVA,IS THE B E S T
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Old 11-14-2009, 10:13 AM   #4
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If it is pub, wand, boots,bottle, then rush necro3/bot/dagger and rape.
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Old 11-14-2009, 02:38 PM   #5
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Default Re: Item build for Demon witch(Lion)

These are good items for him :

- Dagon
- Shiva
- Guinsoo
- Bloodstone (though it nerfed)
- Aghanim / Refresher (Not recommended though...)
- Kellen Dagger (Competitive usually)
- If you want fun, go carry items ^^
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Old 11-14-2009, 04:09 PM   #6
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Magic Stick
Blood Stone
Dagon
Shiva

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Old 11-14-2009, 05:15 PM   #7
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Farm a radiance early game, make sure to tell your team mates you're carrying them. So they give you lanes for yourself.

Late game you will Radi+Treads+Vitality booster for HP. With finger of death+radi you are god like!
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Old 11-14-2009, 05:17 PM   #8
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Wand, bracers, boots, blink, work towards guinsoo.

Some people like phase boots. Idk. o:
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Old 11-14-2009, 07:26 PM   #9
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Pub build:

Start: Chicken (don't share), 1xTangoes, 1xClarity, 2xGGBranch

Then: Ferry consumables as needed, complete Wand, Bracer, buy Boots of Speed, (optional: buy wards) (in any order you like). Always carry a tp.

After that: Finish your boots (your choice, all are good for Lion). Buy dust if needed cause your teammates are noobs. Any other items on Lion are luxury. If you have that much money get wtf you like (an other hex (guinsoo), shivas, aghanims, dagon).
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Old 11-14-2009, 07:46 PM   #10
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Necrobook should be core, you'll get the most out of your disables with the minions and the str stats are very welcome.
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Old 11-14-2009, 08:23 PM   #11
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There are two builds.
The comedy I'm solo mid in a pub build
Boots-->Dagon 5-->Scepter

The serious business roam at lv 1 ward bitch
Chicken/wards/gg branch + consumables to start. --> Boots + bracers (but only if you are rich). THAT'S IT. Spend the rest on wards TPs maybe a bottle.
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Old 11-14-2009, 10:00 PM   #12
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mediva has a competitive guide for lion. Generally it is chicken+wand+wards. bottle is optional. just gank gank gank and ward ward ward
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Old 11-14-2009, 10:06 PM   #13
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boots, wand, wards. pretty much dont need anything else.
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Old 11-14-2009, 10:16 PM   #14
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Old 11-15-2009, 01:43 PM   #15
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Any build which costs more then 4k gold, is unrealistic.
Lion shouldn't be farming much at all, game plan's to keep pressure on the enemy team, and gank, gank and gank.
I'd favour roaming from level 6, since finger's just sweet, but you should gank earlier, if any opportunity arises.
Magic Wand + Bottle + Boots is more then enough to support your ganking needs.
Ward if your team requires a warder, and never ks unless necessary, giving your teammates the gold instead, since you don't need gold much.

Possible item choices are Dagger, for mobility, but most will prefer the Guinsoo's, since hex is just that awesome.
Necrobook and Eul's are considerable as well.
But, of course, other then your Bottle + Magic Wand + Boots + Point Booster , the rest are all luxury.
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Old 11-15-2009, 08:46 PM   #16
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1v1 against viper you really have like no chance at all ^^ In a more serious game, Lion's role is generally ganker-support/wardbitch. So you arent supposed to be farming big items. Boots (usually pt str) wand 2 bracer and the other 2 slots for wards+consumables+tp.
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Old 11-15-2009, 09:08 PM   #17
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i always always always get a dagger in a pub. in a serious game, bottle/wand/bracers/bos/wards.
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Old 07-11-2011, 07:30 AM   #18
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for me the best item build for lion is:
1-bot
2-linkens sphere
3-scepter/dagon
4-dagon/scepter
5-ginosu
6-refresher orb
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Old 07-11-2011, 07:36 AM   #19
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In serious games, a Dagger is absolutely necessary. Otherwise, it's very game-dependent.
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Old 07-11-2011, 07:58 AM   #20
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wand, bottle, STR treads, dagger, hex/shiva/bkb/ghost

throw in a force staff if you are a boss
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Old 07-11-2011, 09:12 AM   #21
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str treads, dager, hex, force staff
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Old 07-11-2011, 09:21 AM   #22
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FS, Aghs, Str Treads(In no particular order)
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Old 07-11-2011, 05:11 PM   #23
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treads is dumb on lion. you got mana drain you're not going to be spending much time attacking. phase offers raw damage with that one or two attacks. it also gets you in and out of sticky situations, which is important.

if you want hp get point booster and ogre ax for blue scepter. treads for hp is dumb.

if you need atk spd to push back waves...feel like impale should be enough...if not, get necronomicon.
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Old 07-11-2011, 07:30 PM   #24
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Was about to rage when some guy said solo mid was a pubs only build and no one mentioned dagger.

Until i realised this was a necro.

Treads really helps you gank. The bonus mana is really useful, while stats switching + bottle is good. The AS isn't wasted since it efectively helps your combo damage.

I think the idea of lion should at first to play as a sort of glass cannon. You have the level advantage, you have the 1v1 advantage, you have the disables. Your opponent shouldn't be able to deal with you early on, so you should pick up your offensive items such as a dagger very quickly.

Treads->Dagger->Pointbooster->Forcestaff/BKB/Hex/SB
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Old 08-03-2011, 12:51 PM   #25
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dagon, bloodstone, aganims, veil or etherial blade, dagger for me
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Old 08-03-2011, 02:13 PM   #26
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basic shit items like treads/nulls/wand/bottle/urn or whatever u want really, i dont think it matters that much, BUT GET A DAGGER ghuiego, then something to maintain your mana like guinsoo, or stuff like ghost scepter/euls can work well.

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Old 08-03-2011, 02:47 PM   #27
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When I play 5 v 5 I normally rush the blink dagger then get the hex or the blue specter. I never normally get the dagon I guess I'm not use to it. I think in 1 v 1 situations I wouldn't go for dagon anyway
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Old 08-03-2011, 04:10 PM   #28
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PT, Wand, Dagger, *insert hp and mana item here*.
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Old 08-03-2011, 06:18 PM   #29
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mediva has a competitive guide for lion. Generally it is chicken+wand+wards. bottle is optional. just gank gank gank and ward ward ward
would you enligthen me on who plays lion as a support
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would you enligthen me on who plays lion as a support
I wanted to flame them also, but then I saw the date on the post...
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Old 08-03-2011, 06:53 PM   #31
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Support laner: Jango treads wand wards tps etc, blink or force staff given enough farm.
Solo: Blink rush, then either rush a BKB or fill in with standard small support items after while ganking around.

Just keep filling in with standard support items afterwards (ghost, force, jango, vlad, veil, wards). Optional Aghanim as a tank item if you find HP lacking but don't need BKB.
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Old 08-03-2011, 07:37 PM   #32
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In pubs, I really like mekanism. With Mana Drain, mana regen shouldn't be an issue. You just need to have some hp regen and a decent mana pool to dish your nukes/disables in a teamfight and it gives you the armor that you lack.

In clan wars, you might be a bit underleveled so you won't be able to depend on mana drain. Blink dagger seems to be gotten a lot. I really don't know tbh.
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Old 08-04-2011, 12:59 PM   #33
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start with some stat items then go for bottle then boots
start making aga / dagon then the other one next u can make shiva / hex and eventually refresher
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Old 12-09-2011, 05:46 AM   #34
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i need some help for demon Witch (Lion). need advise for its item build

if possible i also need advise in beating Viper using demon witch
in EARLY GAME get ring of basilius, magic wand, boots of speed, null talisman... if one on one you can get dagon immediately
mid game you should have a dagon, arcane boots, basilius, Mekansm, aganims
late game you should have a dagon 5, aganims, guinsoo, shiva's guard, a blood stone, necronomicon or oblivian staff
it's a good disabler built... lion relay on his mana, but no worry you have mana drain, and a fast mana regen with those items. you can make an awesome disable combo with those items.
no need for a refresher orb all you need is to keep disabling the enemy. in a 5 on 5 match you should choose who to disable first. example nukes, carry or tanks, you can go for the weakest or the strongest it depends on your teams strategy.
example: the enemy have a farmed void disable him and kill him first coz his chrono will surely kill an entire team if void has battle fury, AC, buriza, butterfly and MOM. WELL It's going to happen IF void luckily traps 5 of you inside the chrono its like a penta kill coz battle fury will splash crit kill hits

with this items you are fine against viper but if he has manta style avoid him then attack him if the illusions are gone (immediately attack him after the illusion has gone. don't attack him directly only harass him with your 1st skill but never engage on one on one.)
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Old 12-09-2011, 03:59 PM   #35
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treads is dumb on lion. you got mana drain you're not going to be spending much time attacking. phase offers raw damage with that one or two attacks. it also gets you in and out of sticky situations, which is important.

if you want hp get point booster and ogre ax for blue scepter. treads for hp is dumb.

if you need atk spd to push back waves...feel like impale should be enough...if not, get necronomicon.
ye, manadraining someone that is on red hp and trying to run away from a gank seems like a brilliant idea... would be idiotic to skill sheep and buy treads instead so u can auto him for the disabling duration with pretty solid dps.

but.. right, u could also fuck treads and work on agha! it haz cuul vizual affexs and is ossum rite!? would be stupid to follow with dagger, force, bkb, hex, ghost or god knows what etc bc thats just gimmick shit and u onlee rellee nid to power up your Laz0r to paan everiting! next refresh laz0r = gg k?

pushing is relee what lion is good foh, caz he sits on lane hole gaim eniwei!

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Old 12-09-2011, 04:53 PM   #36
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Bottle wand early, urn is useful for if they just squeeze through when you finger them ( insert sexual joke here).

Later on i like to get dagger and necro if i can, warding all game though usually means thats not always possible.

Power treads for survivability, Lion needs it.
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Old 12-09-2011, 06:41 PM   #37
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Bottle, wand, treads, maybe a null, and a blink dagger.

Should be done after that, but if I'm doing well I actually like going bkb. It almost assures that you get to cast another impale + hex in teamfights and sometimes, that's all it takes to win it.
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Old 12-10-2011, 02:12 AM   #38
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lothar + dagger + eul + and any items

then ull be immortal lol
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lothar + eul + dagger then any items
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