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Old 09-16-2012, 01:06 AM   #1
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Default Why do pudge players always build a hood?


He already has so much HP and magic resistance. Why build more?

I get why aura items like pipe make sense on him. He's a melee guy who stands in the fight for a long time. But pipe itself seems like a bad choice. His statistical weaknesses are armor and move speed, so shouldn't you build things like mek and drums to deal with that, and let some other support get a pipe?
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Old 09-16-2012, 01:14 AM   #2
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

It reduces self damage from rot; plus the regen is nice too for his big hp.
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Old 09-16-2012, 01:14 AM   #3
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

I never build Hood on Pudge, always either Vanguard or a fast Chainmail.
Hood, however, has a natural upgrade in Pipe, so that's also attractive, but I can't think of any more particular reasons. Perhaps some math would help clear the confusion.
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Old 09-16-2012, 01:20 AM   #4
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

Hood on Pudge is not a good idea.
Flesh Heap can reduce the self-damage from Rot.
Vanguard would be better on Pudge, increases his tanking ability and spam Rot comfortably.
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Old 09-16-2012, 01:23 AM   #5
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

You should prioritize. Armor is a much bigger problem for Pudge to overcome than magic resistance.
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Old 09-16-2012, 01:32 AM   #6
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

you can always go both vang and hood.
Vang first is almost always better though.

With the introduction of tranquil, i'm not even sure if you need vang anymore.
Just stout + tranquil + pointbooster and then maybe some armor item like plate.
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Old 09-16-2012, 01:34 AM   #7
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

Going both Van and Hood is like begging the opponent to ignore you after they interrupt Dismember.
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Old 09-16-2012, 01:45 AM   #8
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

Cause hood is awesome, only noobs use vanguard, hood + vit boost (heart upgrade later), in pudge case, I'd go hood, point booster ogre axe (for aghanim later). Vanguard is gay, just like lothar and battlefury, noobs love getting useless items.
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Old 09-16-2012, 01:46 AM   #9
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

resist from flesh heap stacks with it, you get nat big hp pool from kills so the resist gives more and more ehp the whole game through so you get hood for the resist that scales, regen and pipe and so on. if you are against mostly phys dps dont get it though
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Old 09-16-2012, 02:11 AM   #10
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

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Cause hood is awesome, only noobs use vanguard, hood + vit boost (heart upgrade later), in pudge case, I'd go hood, point booster ogre axe (for aghanim later). Vanguard is gay, just like lothar and battlefury, noobs love getting useless items.
Sounds like a pro.
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Old 09-16-2012, 02:19 AM   #11
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

there is nothing wrong asking for more magic resistance if if you have more, for me i max hook and rot early and at that point i do not have high levels of flesh heap. might as well build hood to negate the the damage from rot and spells from my point of view.
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Old 09-16-2012, 02:33 AM   #12
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Sounds like a pro.
He is a pro. Look, he creates that account only to troll you.

OT : i usually go straight to point booster and vangu instead of hood. But pipe still seems nice to have vs a lot of nuker
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Old 09-16-2012, 02:39 AM   #13
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

It varies from game to game of course. If the enemy team is like Enigma ES Sand King Lesh Zeus get a damn pipe. If the enemy team is Riki Dazzle VS TA Viper then get Platemail + Vang. Really, it's not that hard.
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Old 09-16-2012, 03:44 AM   #14
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IDK but he can be a good tank.
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Old 09-16-2012, 03:50 AM   #15
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

i don't.

and yeah, armor is nice on pudge and players typically lose against me when they fail to buy that.
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Old 09-16-2012, 04:40 AM   #16
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

ever seen dendi's pudge with pipe? so dendi's is a noob?
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Old 09-16-2012, 05:13 AM   #17
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

Because Pipe is good.


I always get force staff.

Then go into either Blademail or Ags.
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Old 09-16-2012, 05:49 AM   #18
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

I often find myself not building either Hood or Vanguard. I pick my targets carefully, so Tranq+Bottle+Stick does it for me, as well as a Point Booster and Force Staff as extension. Aghanim's/Heart/utility items as a luxury.

Building Hood to extend into Pipe is another story, though.
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Old 09-16-2012, 05:51 AM   #19
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

If it is just Hood cause they are complete noobs, he is the most popular hero in dota 2 and is not so played in high level games, guess what that means....
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Old 09-16-2012, 06:40 AM   #20
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

It lets you farm incredibly easy and fast with rot, and if you stack a camp here and there when you pass through, you can get alot of additional gold this way. It's also important to kill off lanes quickly with pudge, so you can get back into fog of war, and preferably not lose half your life doing so.

I don't build Hood on him unless there's at least 3-4 heroes in the enemy team with heavy magic damage, but that seems to occur alot, perhaps because I like picking Pudge against squishy casters.

Pudge is also a hero who gets stronger (through Flesh Heap) as the game goes on, meaning he will have quite a health pool. And since Magic Resistance, much like armor, makes every health point better, Hood has great synergy here.

So yeah. I'm keeping my Hood.
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Old 09-16-2012, 07:29 AM   #21
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

Hood>Aghas>Shiva. Forcestaff imo is more of a gimmicky item for pudge.
Hood-even more tankability, they WILL focus you if you are decent at comboing
Aghas-obv reasons
Shiva- DAT SLOW. MEAT WILL NOT ESCAPE. And it gives extremely nice armour and mana.
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Old 09-16-2012, 08:53 AM   #22
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

When I build hood, I buy it with the intention of turning it into a pipe down the road.
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Old 09-16-2012, 12:21 PM   #23
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

its primarly for the regen and reducing rot's self damage , those make farming a breeze for pudge and improve his tankability(+ naturally upgrading the hood to a pipe is almost never wrong and as pudge is almost always in the middle of the action he makes a good pipe carrier)


along with the likes of vanguard or shiva's
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Old 09-16-2012, 12:38 PM   #24
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

Upgrade it to pipe or forget about it. Vang is more effective cuz of his armor, so if theres another pipe carrier, just let him get it.
I don't mean it's bad item, just don't like it personally.
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Old 09-16-2012, 12:56 PM   #25
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

If you are getting Pudge,you probably are facing squishy casters.Guess what,you can really survive through the fight with it,and being able to upgrade into Pipe makes Hood a nice item.
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Old 09-16-2012, 01:12 PM   #26
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imo cloak is enough to reduce damage from rot, from there you can choose to build pipe or something else.
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Old 09-16-2012, 01:19 PM   #27
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Cause hood is awesome, only noobs use vanguard, hood + vit boost (heart upgrade later), in pudge case, I'd go hood, point booster ogre axe (for aghanim later). Vanguard is gay, just like lothar and battlefury, noobs love getting useless items.
Battlefury is not a noob item, it's a incorrectly used item, you should get it as your third or fourth item (after str threads,poor man's shield,and bottle(if you're mid)) so you can push 2.5 times faster, and creep fast ONLY if you're getting ganked almost every 2-5 minutes since you're the main carry, that way you can creep fast and back before they get to you, it also gives you damage,mana regeneration which is awesome for lot of carries which lack of mana and can not afford to get a mana item since they lose time.
however if you get it AFTER your 3rd core item (such like getting threads , basher,madness and THEN getting battlefury) (void build for no0bs)
then it's useless.


now.. about vanguard..
vanguard isn't a noob item either, it's a NICE item which works like this..
in the game you got 3 CORE 2k around cost of HP items
which are..
JANGO,VANGUARD and HOOD.
VANGUARD works against FAST HITTING heroes, since it gives you HP to survive + Blocks damage per hit.
then.. HOOD works Awesomely well against magic heroes, however don't confuse this with PURE damage like OD's orb..
and then you have JANGO which most noobs get because they think they're pro just cuse they don't know how it works, Jango is a very good item for initiators and AGAINST heroes which use BOTH damage, hit damage + magic damage (such like nevermore). since it ONLY gives you HP which is good for both stuff (magic and hit damage) + it gives you a little of armor, mana and damage..
but anyways if you're against a hero which only does hit you (such like void) get vanguard.
if you're against a hero which uses magic damage, like dark seer, get hood..
and if you're against a hero which uses both damages (such like Nevermore) get Jango.

if you're an initiator you can also get it.

there are always alternatives such like mekasm (for supports) instead of getting one of the other 3 items.

and if you wanna build fast get only an item like reaver (if you're creeping fucking fast), or point booster (if you wanna finish battlefury REALLY quick,and you get items like normal boots +point booster) instead of str boots + poor man's shield..

lothars is only good for kunkka, getting it on nevermore is stupid since he can creep ethereal blade really fast if he doesn't get lothars and instead gets dagger.

i hope i've clearled most of your questions.
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Old 09-16-2012, 02:57 PM   #28
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

I usually get hood then upgrade it to pipe.

I like hood because of the additional magic resistance, and regen
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Old 09-16-2012, 03:16 PM   #29
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also u skill flesh heap late 12-14 and i usually need magic reduction earlier when it matters 7-11 and regen is nice too
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Old 09-16-2012, 03:27 PM   #30
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I avoid it. The only exception to that rule is when I'm facing something like Lina/Lion/AA -- usually all on the same team.

Vanguard outclasses it in virtually all other cases because of it's HP boost and damage block. Without some sort of additional physical EHP, Pudge melts like butter.
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Old 09-16-2012, 04:38 PM   #31
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Default Re: Why do pudge players always build a hood?

i sometimes try to get by on lower levels of hook/rot early on, putting them instead into flesh heap. it might sound silly, but it's great when you're solo mid against zeus!

in those cases, hood seems really dumb.

blademail on the other hand, is wonderful, send those nukes right back at whoever is throwing them.
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Old 09-16-2012, 04:43 PM   #32
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i find myself getting hoodi if they have some magical nukes like lion lina QoP etc etc.
else a chainmail if the have more carries like jugg(mid game) PA etc etc
if pure str.........................i rush scepter

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also u skill flesh heap late 12-14 and i usually need magic reduction earlier when it matters 7-11 and regen is nice too
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Old 09-16-2012, 07:14 PM   #33
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My 3 different itembuilds:

1. manaboots + hood/vngd (never both...)
2. tranq + sr + force
3. phase + bottle + pointbooster/vngd

Only get it if oyu dont get other hp regen items.
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Old 09-16-2012, 07:40 PM   #34
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I would only recommend getting Hood on Pudge if you are going to upgrade into Pipe against mass nukers. Otherwise Vanguard does a much better job regarding survivability because it reduces Pudge's vulnerability towards physical DPS.
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in 90 percent of games BKB, bye if i ever get the gold because i have like 50 cs during whole game
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Did I just see a wall of text promoting Battlefury on Pudge?
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Old 09-17-2012, 02:17 AM   #37
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He already has so much HP and magic resistance. Why build more?

I get why aura items like pipe make sense on him. He's a melee guy who stands in the fight for a long time. But pipe itself seems like a bad choice. His statistical weaknesses are armor and move speed, so shouldn't you build things like mek and drums to deal with that, and let some other support get a pipe?
Flesh Heap is stacks fully and not diminishingly with the magic resistance from cloak or hood. The hp regen plus the reduced rot self damage makes it a great item for pudge.
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in 90 percent of games BKB, bye if i ever get the gold because i have like 50 cs during whole game
But you want to tank their shit? BKB discourages enemy from approaching this monstrosity which is bad, since then your carry(s) or casters have to tank all the nukes and disables.

EVER GET THE GOLD???? You combo everyone, everywhere, cs doesn't matter; its the gold you get from hero kills which is your flow of income.

Vangod or Hood is thus a better choice than BKB as it allows you to tank shit and live, whereas BKB discourages them choosing you as the target and so your squishy teammates tank the nukes and die, instead of you tanking and getting away.
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Flesh Heap is stacks fully and not diminishingly with the magic resistance from cloak or hood.
I seriously doubt this.
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Did I just see a wall of text promoting Battlefury on Pudge?
no.. i replied to the part where he said battlefury and vanguard were noob items..
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