Why is Outworld Destroyer not a competetive pick?

[Radioh]

Originally Posted by elan

orb dmg to pure maybe and nerf numbers?

Orb damage is pure already, the problem is that it's blocked by BKB

[elan]

Ah I see. its weird. Shouldnt it work on autocast like regular orb? or are all hero ability orbs blocked by bkb?

[CynthiaCrescent]

Originally Posted by elan

Ah I see. its weird. Shouldnt it work on autocast like regular orb? or are all hero ability orbs blocked by bkb?

Are you should you've played this game?

[elan]

Look at join date lowbie. Well, maybe you think having anime girls in sig and avatar makes U more manly and allows you to act high and all. Small tip: Get a real one.

[Typhox]

Originally Posted by elan

Ah I see. its weird. Shouldnt it work on autocast like regular orb? or are all hero ability orbs blocked by bkb?

The Damage is Pure damage. Pure damage gets blocked by BKB. But OD can still do a lot of auto attack damage (since he is int main) against the magic immune hero. BKB doesn't make you invincible against OD. It just reduces the damage youre taking. Also quite funny, the Pure damage works against heroes that are under Omni's ultimate.

[vvjacobo]

Because they didnt pair it with IO. Io gives all Destro needs:

Atack speed.
Some gangs for extra income while farming.
Damage reduction.
Escape through io ulti and Io bonus MS.
A stun.
Movespeed to be able to chase.


Once Destro gets some small farm its like if the fountain takes a haste potion, grabs one testicle, and starts runing arround map killing things in 2 seconds of auto atacks.

[frivolity]

Originally Posted by Typhox

The Damage is Pure damage. Pure damage gets blocked by BKB. But OD can still do a lot of auto attack damage (since he is int main) against the magic immune hero. BKB doesn't make you invincible against OD. It just reduces the damage youre taking. Also quite funny, the Pure damage works against heroes that are under Omni's ultimate.

Not exactly. BKB doesn't actually block pure damage. The reason why Arcane Orb gets blocked is because its damage AMOUNT is calculated as pure (not blocked by armour or magic reduction), but its damage TYPE is magic, which is blocked by magic immunity. This is a key difference, because it means that Hood of Defiance as well as AM's Spell Shield do not reduce the damage of Arcane Orb, but BKB, Repel, and Naix's Rage will block Arcane Orb's damage completely. The pure damage also means that armour will not reduce the damage of Arcane Orb, which is why Omni's ultimate, which grants +1000 armour, will not work against it.

[Typhox]

Originally Posted by frivolity

Not exactly. BKB doesn't actually block pure damage. The reason why Arcane Orb gets blocked is because its damage AMOUNT is calculated as pure (not blocked by armour or magic reduction), but its damage TYPE is magic, which is blocked by magic immunity. This is a key difference, because it means that Hood of Defiance as well as AM's Spell Shield do not reduce the damage of Arcane Orb, but BKB, Repel, and Naix's Rage will block Arcane Orb's damage completely. The pure damage also means that armour will not reduce the damage of Arcane Orb, which is why Omni's ultimate, which grants +1000 armour, will not work against it.

Okay, thanks for the scientific explanation. I still prefer the easy to remember one: Pure damage doesn't hit magic immune

[elan]

lol u are wrong man. there are sources of pure dmg which do dmg magic immune units. It just works like that with OD cuz his orb is in fact spell. maybe your explanation is easy to remember but it isnt by any means true:P
For example omniknights dmg from heal will hit bkbed hero, also true with spectres desolate and pudges hook.

[Melopahn]

His biggest dilemma is that his damage is more dependant upon his items then most carries... especially when its Int based damage. YOu have to build intelligence which does nothing for survivability. So you'd have to get high int items which gives you maybe 30 str if you build the best str items you can. I feel he would work as a carry but you'd have to plya the 4 protect 1 to make sure he gets all 6 of his items with maybe a BH trying to give you extra money from tracking. If not a morph or sniper or AM would just kill you before you could do anything.

Just wait for medusa and you'll have the truest long range carry you could ever imagine, in the mean time use OD as a pub stomp and when you want to ranged carry go for Sniper/Drow... just make sure you have a really good support and don't go mid

[Typhox]

Originally Posted by elan

lol u are wrong man. there are sources of pure dmg which do dmg magic immune units. It just works like that with OD cuz his orb is in fact spell. maybe your explanation is easy to remember but it isnt by any means true:P
For example omniknights dmg from heal will hit bkbed hero, also true with spectres desolate and pudges hook.

Well then, but how do you know which skills are magic pure and which are "just" pure?
For example, Sun Ray also doesn't hit Magic Immune.

[2_22]

Could he even last into mid/late game in professional play?
He feels worse than a glass cannon.

[frivolity]

Originally Posted by Typhox

Well then, but how do you know which skills are magic pure and which are "just" pure?
For example, Sun Ray also doesn't hit Magic Immune.

Only way to figure it out is to test it yourself in-game or check the advanced mechanics forum. There should be a full list of which spells deal pure damage with magic attack type, and which spells are pure damage without magic attack.

[CynthiaCrescent]

Originally Posted by elan

Look at join date lowbie. Well, maybe you think having anime girls in sig and avatar makes U more manly and allows you to act high and all. Small tip: Get a real one.

Well that escalated quickly.
It's funny how you feel the need to call me lowbie without even knowing how the internet work, or just fact-checking this very forum, or learn to type in a search box.
Damn standards nowadays.

Originally Posted by elan

lol u are wrong man. there are sources of pure dmg which do dmg magic immune units. It just works like that with OD cuz his orb is in fact spell. maybe your explanation is easy to remember but it isnt by any means true:P
For example omniknights dmg from heal will hit bkbed hero, also true with spectres desolate and pudges hook.

And here comes the fail train.

[Drikam]

Originally Posted by elan

orb dmg to pure maybe and nerf numbers?

Orb is already pure..

[iAmAlexander]

Originally Posted by elan

lol u are wrong man. there are sources of pure dmg which do dmg magic immune units. It just works like that with OD cuz his orb is in fact spell. maybe your explanation is easy to remember but it isnt by any means true:P
For example omniknights dmg from heal will hit bkbed hero, also true with spectres desolate and pudges hook.

You are wrong. Pure damage does not go through BKB. Pudge's hook only drags you to him, it does not damage you. Omni's heal doesn't damage magic immune targets. Get your facts straight.

[elan]

sorry messed some info with HoN. Anyway got annoyed by the explanation that pure dmg doesnt go through magic immunity, cuz its rly not that simple.

[iAmAlexander]

Originally Posted by elan

sorry messed some info with HoN. Anyway got annoyed by the explanation that pure dmg doesnt go through magic immunity, cuz its rly not that simple.

But pure damage really does not go through magic immunity. There are some spells like Dismember, Primal Roar, Black Hole that partially go through magic immunity. All of them take their effect on the target(s) but don't deal any damage.

[iAmAlexander]

Also: http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=204911

[sickness84]

since he is obscene destroyable.