Why is Outworld Destroyer not a competetive pick?

DBX_5 · 09-20-2012, 05:31 PM

its been stated already but basically this is his flaws which make him a risky pick for pro games.

Item dependent meaning he needs a lot of farm
Squishy especially early in the game
Easily countered in the late mid to late game via bkb and orchid

Over all hes too risky to try and use in less hes setup with a team thats looking to win within the first 20 minutes thus not giving the other team any chance to farm anything to counter him but again OD still needs to farm him self to be of any real use.

RoseEsque · 09-20-2012, 05:39 PM

How about a support role then? Simply providing infinite mana to Your teammates while pushing as well as having a 4 second disable and the ability to burn enemies mana.

His squishines doesnt matter (almost all supports are squishy). Doesnt need items to do those things and lategame hell have some nice damage.

Not to mention he kills illusions very quickly and he doesnt need items to do so.

Naga is pushing with illusions? Send OD, illusions die after a few hits.

Madness101 · 09-20-2012, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RoseEsque

Naga is pushing with sirens? Send OD, illusions die after OD is at 1/4 HP and trying to flee from Naga

Yes.

RoseEsque · 09-20-2012, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Madness101

Yes.

Thats assuming that naga will be there herself.

If naga nets You, You can prison Yourself which will last for almost the whole duration of net.

You get a carry that does exceptionally well with infinite mana and You roll Your enemies.

Heroes that combo pretty well with OD as a support:
Stalker, Broodmother, Luna, Brewmaster, CK, Gyro, Naga, Jugg, Mirana

Xmarksthegank · 09-21-2012, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RoseEsque

Thats assuming that naga will be there herself.

If naga nets You, You can prison Yourself which will last for almost the whole duration of net.

You get a carry that does exceptionally well with infinite mana and You roll Your enemies.

Heroes that combo pretty well with OD as a support:
Stalker, Broodmother, Luna, Brewmaster, CK, Gyro, Naga, Jugg, Mirana

He doesn't have the AS, naga sends 3 illusions which die after 1 or 2 hits, uses riptide and do a couple of hits.

He's just a pile of poo as a support. Where would he get any farm? He can't throw a cash to do a crap, he can't tp to a lane and obliterate the incoming wave of pushing creeps in 2 seconds, and he certainly can't jungle well enough with a complete support set.

MR-President · 09-21-2012, 01:03 AM

People should consider trying to actually get a Rod of Atos instead of rushing Hex and failing to get it on time. Rod of Atos was basically made for OD. Seriously, it gives him 250 HP, 25 intelligence and a slow for him to land those orbs. It's also easier to farm and actually allows him to get an early Vitality Booster, which means a lot for OD.

Also, his ult makes people think that without intelligence items it's useless. That's not true. It will burn almost all the mana of multiple heroes. Even though it does less damage, its still useful. With that being said, Bloodstone is a very good item on OD because, again, it gives him raw HP to survive and the extra mana buffs the orb. Combine that with Rod of Atos and OD is already twice as hard to kill when compared to the Scythe + Force Staff OD. It ahould be your support's job to force staff you away from trouble anyway.

But I agree that OD is weak becauae he is a glass cannon in an era when glass cannons are obsolete. Same goes to the other glass cannons: Sniper, Drow and Shadow Fiend.

Synchrotron · 09-21-2012, 08:34 AM

OD is too easy to be shut down in a fight. Silence or BKB completely nullifies his autocast.

bny_ · 09-21-2012, 08:58 AM

He was a common pick like 2-3 years ago in competitive games. He would still work very well as pick if the lineup was right.

However there is more valid options out there now days... If you want a kind of int carry silencer is a more common choice due to all the silence he brings. As hardcarry you rather want sylla, morph, am and so on.

Problem with that bird is that he needs momentum to be any good, possibile the biggest momentum hero in this game. And he's not like storm that can escape things, he's squishy as hell. A few roamers that can play and he can't really do much for the entire game.

So yes, he's one of the best damage dealers in this game, however to get him there is very hard in CW/Scrims.

RoseEsque · 09-21-2012, 09:05 AM

About support OD not working beacuse of the lack of farm:

Notice that some support items give int, thus giving him damage.

He gets a lot of damage for free basically.

Also, his passive absolutely eliminates the need of getting arcane boots.

gabbeh · 09-21-2012, 09:12 AM

every popular carry is difficult to gank. od has a pseudo disable and no tank. his dps is pretty high but that's only if people don't get bkb. plus his range is awkward as heck.

Typhox · 09-21-2012, 09:15 AM

I played OD as hard support only once, but it was extremely successfull (I supported a Slardar on the hard lane, harassed, etc). However, that might have been just coincidence.
THe obvious advantage in having him as support is that unlike other supports, he becomes very strong himself into late game, even by buying only support items like Arcane Boots, Mek, Force Staff or Scythe of Vyse.

09-20-2012, 05:31 PM	#61
DBX_5 Tech Support Volunteer Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 583	Why is Outworld Destroyer not a competetive pick? its been stated already but basically this is his flaws which make him a risky pick for pro games. Item dependent meaning he needs a lot of farm Squishy especially early in the game Easily countered in the late mid to late game via bkb and orchid Over all hes too risky to try and use in less hes setup with a team thats looking to win within the first 20 minutes thus not giving the other team any chance to farm anything to counter him but again OD still needs to farm him self to be of any real use. __________________

09-20-2012, 05:39 PM	#62
RoseEsque Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 478	Re: Why is Outworld Destroyer not a competetive pi How about a support role then? Simply providing infinite mana to Your teammates while pushing as well as having a 4 second disable and the ability to burn enemies mana. His squishines doesnt matter (almost all supports are squishy). Doesnt need items to do those things and lategame hell have some nice damage. Not to mention he kills illusions very quickly and he doesnt need items to do so. Naga is pushing with illusions? Send OD, illusions die after a few hits.

Last edited by RoseEsque; 09-20-2012 at 05:51 PM.

09-21-2012, 01:03 AM	#66
MR-President Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,455	Re: Why is Outworld Destroyer not a competetive pi People should consider trying to actually get a Rod of Atos instead of rushing Hex and failing to get it on time. Rod of Atos was basically made for OD. Seriously, it gives him 250 HP, 25 intelligence and a slow for him to land those orbs. It's also easier to farm and actually allows him to get an early Vitality Booster, which means a lot for OD. Also, his ult makes people think that without intelligence items it's useless. That's not true. It will burn almost all the mana of multiple heroes. Even though it does less damage, its still useful. With that being said, Bloodstone is a very good item on OD because, again, it gives him raw HP to survive and the extra mana buffs the orb. Combine that with Rod of Atos and OD is already twice as hard to kill when compared to the Scythe + Force Staff OD. It ahould be your support's job to force staff you away from trouble anyway. But I agree that OD is weak becauae he is a glass cannon in an era when glass cannons are obsolete. Same goes to the other glass cannons: Sniper, Drow and Shadow Fiend.

09-21-2012, 08:34 AM	#67
Synchrotron Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 134	Re: Why is Outworld Destroyer not a competetive pi OD is too easy to be shut down in a fight. Silence or BKB completely nullifies his autocast.

09-21-2012, 08:58 AM	#68
bny_ Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 5	Re: Why is Outworld Destroyer not a competetive pi He was a common pick like 2-3 years ago in competitive games. He would still work very well as pick if the lineup was right. However there is more valid options out there now days... If you want a kind of int carry silencer is a more common choice due to all the silence he brings. As hardcarry you rather want sylla, morph, am and so on. Problem with that bird is that he needs momentum to be any good, possibile the biggest momentum hero in this game. And he's not like storm that can escape things, he's squishy as hell. A few roamers that can play and he can't really do much for the entire game. So yes, he's one of the best damage dealers in this game, however to get him there is very hard in CW/Scrims.

09-21-2012, 09:05 AM	#69
RoseEsque Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 478	Re: Why is Outworld Destroyer not a competetive pi About support OD not working beacuse of the lack of farm: Notice that some support items give int, thus giving him damage. He gets a lot of damage for free basically. Also, his passive absolutely eliminates the need of getting arcane boots.

09-21-2012, 09:12 AM	#70
gabbeh Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 243	Re: Why is Outworld Destroyer not a competetive pi every popular carry is difficult to gank. od has a pseudo disable and no tank. his dps is pretty high but that's only if people don't get bkb. plus his range is awkward as heck. __________________

09-21-2012, 09:15 AM	#71
Typhox Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Hannover Posts: 5,580	Re: Why is Outworld Destroyer not a competetive pi I played OD as hard support only once, but it was extremely successfull (I supported a Slardar on the hard lane, harassed, etc). However, that might have been just coincidence. THe obvious advantage in having him as support is that unlike other supports, he becomes very strong himself into late game, even by buying only support items like Arcane Boots, Mek, Force Staff or Scythe of Vyse.