Your Dark Seer item build?

Mystique- · 11-16-2009, 04:15 AM

Standard build (for me at least):
1 Stout, 2 trees, 1 potion pot, 1 GG branch (jungle build)
Boots , Bottle
Orchid <=> Vanguard ??

Luxury:
Shivas or Linkens, Guinsoo , (Bloodstone?)

I've recently been getting Orchid on DS. It provides a great intelligence and mana-regen boost; the damage-amplifying silence , additional attack speed and bonus damage are also nothing to scoff at. It's also great to build piece by piece on DS, as DS can reap all the benefits(especially the bonus intelligence and mana regeneration) little by little. I'm just not too sure if I'm getting the price's worth of benefits as Orchid in whole is ridiculously expensive (5025 gold).

Also, I'm not sure if it would be smarter to complete orchid first and then vanguard, or vanguard and then orchid. Nevertheless, I find vanguard a crucial item on DS most of time; DS needs that damage block and HP for tanking :P. The regen is also awesome

I find BoT unnecessary on DS as he can surge himself like all the time anyways. So I usually just stick to regular boots for the whole game. ( back in the day when treads provided +16 intelligence had made treads perfect for DS

)

What's your DS item-build?

Shadow-Seeker · 11-16-2009, 04:21 AM

Mek, Pipe, or Vlads. Anything that the team needs. DS doesnt really need many items.
Core would be something like Boots, Bracers, Bottle/Wand.

Mystique- · 11-16-2009, 04:23 AM

Yeah, I find pipe a situational item on DS. Only if enemy team has lots of nukers. And why vlads and/or Mek on DS? O_o

Shadow-Seeker · 11-16-2009, 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheImagination

Yeah, I find pipe a situational item on DS. Only if enemy team has lots of nukers. And why vlads and/or Mek on DS? O_o

Sorry i didn't explain it well. What i meant was Mek, Vlads, Pipe depending on the situation. If there's other supports which naturally gets Mek (eg. Lich) then theres no need. You could aim for Guinsoo or Shiva's but you wouldn't be farming much in a proper game so cheaper support items seems like a better choice imo.

jacksp · 11-16-2009, 05:01 AM

you could always jungle when not participating in team pushes, and no one is going to begrudge you for farming for an additional hex which will always come in handy.

EternityPala · 11-16-2009, 06:54 AM

RoB +Void Stone + Pipe + Magic Wand
Any boot is fine, but i'd favour BoT.
Make that Voidstone a Guinsoo's, and you're set.

Baconnaise · 11-16-2009, 06:59 AM

Start off with stout + consumables when jungling
I go vanguard/pipe radiance BoT as a fun pub build

IronFrost · 11-16-2009, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EternityPala

RoB +Void Stone + Pipe + Magic Wand
Any boot is fine, but i'd favour BoT.
Make that Voidstone a Guinsoo's, and you're set.

^This

mxt · 11-16-2009, 09:25 AM

pres -> vanguard + euls
pipe bot guinsso in the most practical order to follow it up, which depends on how the game goes

ikerry-ftw · 11-16-2009, 06:19 PM

A situational vg, pipe boots wand is like his core. You need some mana too so a guinsoo would be pretty nice if you could farm it. Also for pubs, radi+bloodstone works wonders.

Anub'arak Obama · 11-16-2009, 06:43 PM

Radiance is a horrible item on DS.

It's a mediocre item overall only used on heavy tanks (so there is incentive to target the tank), and for if you're base is being rushed by creeps (and you're about to lose) and you need something to deal with creeps.

And select heroes like Bloodseeker.

ikerry-ftw · 11-16-2009, 06:57 PM

See what I wrote? Pubs. They will run with fear when they see you coming with sparkles+shell at 522 ms with at least point+boots on like 25 min..

leeoku · 11-16-2009, 07:48 PM

stout+consumes if u are jungling. Core: Boots+mek. Pipe if many aoe casters. Lux: Sheep/BoT. basically get anything team needs

CedeoCedeo · 11-16-2009, 09:01 PM

You need to play DS aggressive imo, always initiate, so you shouldn't be fragile, which would come with the choice between pipe/vanguard, after that a dagger against very mobile heroes and shivas if the game tends to end early.

Core is always bottle normal boots and 2 bracers

Mystique- · 11-16-2009, 10:48 PM

Anybody have any comments on the viability of orchid on DS?

sketh · 11-17-2009, 01:07 AM

Shivas Refresher.

Honestly, there is nothing more game breaking then double wall.

SirDumpling · 11-17-2009, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mxt

pres -> vanguard + euls
pipe bot guinsso in the most practical order to follow it up, which depends on how the game goes

same for me.
euls is always fun

The Performer · 11-17-2009, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sketh

Shivas Refresher.

Honestly, there is nothing more game breaking then double wall.

Honestly, there is nothing more game breaking then a team who can see three copies of his enemies.

Xerifot · 11-17-2009, 03:51 AM

I haven't played dark seer much but I usually jungle with Stouts, 1x Clarity Pot and rest of my gold on tango. I usually keep jungling till i get a bottle and a boot and leave jungle when i see an easy kill in a near lane (Not like top lane when in sent jungle) then i usually go for a Vanguard so I'll be less squishy then a phase to walk through creeps with surge on and i rush a mystic staff to be turned into a Shiva or a hex later on depending on what your team wants. After i get a Shiva or a hex, you can aim for a heart. And yes this is possible, just push a lot on all three lanes and you'll see gold flooding in. And make sure you carry TP scrolls so you can tp to towers to defend and push if they've pushed too far.

I follow the build from this guide: Darkseer - DotA Guides

But I've only read till the part where it says core then i made my own build after that.

3.2_Sky_Dive · 11-17-2009, 09:56 AM

darkseer can buff your team immense in teamfights and he has to
a.) stay alive to do so--> some tanking (vanguard and sometimes hood/pipe)
b.) have the mana to use all spells at cd in fight (you need all of them as often as possible) --> euls is great if you farm fast you can try sheepstick
my build is RoB, and vanguard early, power treads (int is imortant) and you can go for sth like this for luxury:
radiance for aoe, with powertreads you deal some dmg, and radiance+surge

shivas for aoe and mana, no problem anymore
euls (not really luxury/mandatory if not rushing radiance)
heart for tanking (run in and out and reg, made for you)
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he can do almost everything so orchid is an option too, but normally you should prefer euls/shivas.

11-16-2009, 04:15 AM	#1
Mystique- Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 820	Your Dark Seer item build? Standard build (for me at least): 1 Stout, 2 trees, 1 potion pot, 1 GG branch (jungle build) Boots , Bottle Orchid <=> Vanguard ?? Luxury: Shivas or Linkens, Guinsoo , (Bloodstone?) I've recently been getting Orchid on DS. It provides a great intelligence and mana-regen boost; the damage-amplifying silence , additional attack speed and bonus damage are also nothing to scoff at. It's also great to build piece by piece on DS, as DS can reap all the benefits(especially the bonus intelligence and mana regeneration) little by little. I'm just not too sure if I'm getting the price's worth of benefits as Orchid in whole is ridiculously expensive (5025 gold). Also, I'm not sure if it would be smarter to complete orchid first and then vanguard, or vanguard and then orchid. Nevertheless, I find vanguard a crucial item on DS most of time; DS needs that damage block and HP for tanking :P. The regen is also awesome I find BoT unnecessary on DS as he can surge himself like all the time anyways. So I usually just stick to regular boots for the whole game. ( back in the day when treads provided +16 intelligence had made treads perfect for DS ) What's your DS item-build?

Last edited by Mystique-; 11-16-2009 at 04:26 AM.

11-16-2009, 04:21 AM	#2
Shadow-Seeker Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: AU Posts: 193	Re: Your DS item build? Mek, Pipe, or Vlads. Anything that the team needs. DS doesnt really need many items. Core would be something like Boots, Bracers, Bottle/Wand.

11-16-2009, 04:23 AM	#3
Mystique- Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 820	Re: Your DS item build? Yeah, I find pipe a situational item on DS. Only if enemy team has lots of nukers. And why vlads and/or Mek on DS? O_o

11-16-2009, 05:01 AM	#5
jacksp Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 49	Re: Your Dark Seer item build? you could always jungle when not participating in team pushes, and no one is going to begrudge you for farming for an additional hex which will always come in handy.

11-16-2009, 06:54 AM	#6
EternityPala Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 5,586	Re: Your Dark Seer item build? RoB +Void Stone + Pipe + Magic Wand Any boot is fine, but i'd favour BoT. Make that Voidstone a Guinsoo's, and you're set.

11-16-2009, 06:59 AM	#7
Baconnaise Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,267	Re: Your Dark Seer item build? Start off with stout + consumables when jungling I go vanguard/pipe radiance BoT as a fun pub build

11-16-2009, 09:25 AM	#9
mxt Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 538	Re: Your Dark Seer item build? pres -> vanguard + euls pipe bot guinsso in the most practical order to follow it up, which depends on how the game goes

11-16-2009, 06:19 PM	#10
ikerry-ftw Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 20	Re: Your Dark Seer item build? A situational vg, pipe boots wand is like his core. You need some mana too so a guinsoo would be pretty nice if you could farm it. Also for pubs, radi+bloodstone works wonders.

11-16-2009, 06:43 PM	#11
Anub'arak Obama Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 547	Re: Your Dark Seer item build? Radiance is a horrible item on DS. It's a mediocre item overall only used on heavy tanks (so there is incentive to target the tank), and for if you're base is being rushed by creeps (and you're about to lose) and you need something to deal with creeps. And select heroes like Bloodseeker.

11-16-2009, 06:57 PM	#12
ikerry-ftw Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 20	Re: Your Dark Seer item build? See what I wrote? Pubs. They will run with fear when they see you coming with sparkles+shell at 522 ms with at least point+boots on like 25 min..

11-16-2009, 07:48 PM	#13
leeoku Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 518	Re: Your Dark Seer item build? stout+consumes if u are jungling. Core: Boots+mek. Pipe if many aoe casters. Lux: Sheep/BoT. basically get anything team needs

11-16-2009, 09:01 PM	#14
CedeoCedeo Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 84	Re: Your Dark Seer item build? You need to play DS aggressive imo, always initiate, so you shouldn't be fragile, which would come with the choice between pipe/vanguard, after that a dagger against very mobile heroes and shivas if the game tends to end early. Core is always bottle normal boots and 2 bracers __________________ 98% of the forum plays the tag game. If you are one of the 2% who dont put this in your signature. Kaarogan, Centaur Outlaw. Great Suggestion , review pls. >>>>PM me for reviews and icons<<<<

11-16-2009, 10:48 PM	#15
Mystique- Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 820	Re: Your Dark Seer item build? Anybody have any comments on the viability of orchid on DS?

11-17-2009, 01:07 AM	#16
sketh Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 26	Re: Your Dark Seer item build? Shivas Refresher. Honestly, there is nothing more game breaking then double wall.

11-17-2009, 03:51 AM	#19
Xerifot Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Malaysia Posts: 62	Re: Your Dark Seer item build? I haven't played dark seer much but I usually jungle with Stouts, 1x Clarity Pot and rest of my gold on tango. I usually keep jungling till i get a bottle and a boot and leave jungle when i see an easy kill in a near lane (Not like top lane when in sent jungle) then i usually go for a Vanguard so I'll be less squishy then a phase to walk through creeps with surge on and i rush a mystic staff to be turned into a Shiva or a hex later on depending on what your team wants. After i get a Shiva or a hex, you can aim for a heart. And yes this is possible, just push a lot on all three lanes and you'll see gold flooding in. And make sure you carry TP scrolls so you can tp to towers to defend and push if they've pushed too far. I follow the build from this guide: Darkseer - DotA Guides But I've only read till the part where it says core then i made my own build after that.

11-17-2009, 09:56 AM	#20
3.2_Sky_Dive Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 207	Re: Your Dark Seer item build? darkseer can buff your team immense in teamfights and he has to a.) stay alive to do so--> some tanking (vanguard and sometimes hood/pipe) b.) have the mana to use all spells at cd in fight (you need all of them as often as possible) --> euls is great if you farm fast you can try sheepstick my build is RoB, and vanguard early, power treads (int is imortant) and you can go for sth like this for luxury: radiance for aoe, with powertreads you deal some dmg, and radiance+surge shivas for aoe and mana, no problem anymore euls (not really luxury/mandatory if not rushing radiance) heart for tanking (run in and out and reg, made for you) . . . he can do almost everything so orchid is an option too, but normally you should prefer euls/shivas.