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Old 11-16-2009, 04:15 AM   #1
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Default Your Dark Seer item build?


Standard build (for me at least):
1 Stout, 2 trees, 1 potion pot, 1 GG branch (jungle build)
Boots , Bottle
Orchid <=> Vanguard ??

Luxury:
Shivas or Linkens, Guinsoo , (Bloodstone?)


I've recently been getting Orchid on DS. It provides a great intelligence and mana-regen boost; the damage-amplifying silence , additional attack speed and bonus damage are also nothing to scoff at. It's also great to build piece by piece on DS, as DS can reap all the benefits(especially the bonus intelligence and mana regeneration) little by little. I'm just not too sure if I'm getting the price's worth of benefits as Orchid in whole is ridiculously expensive (5025 gold).

Also, I'm not sure if it would be smarter to complete orchid first and then vanguard, or vanguard and then orchid. Nevertheless, I find vanguard a crucial item on DS most of time; DS needs that damage block and HP for tanking :P. The regen is also awesome


I find BoT unnecessary on DS as he can surge himself like all the time anyways. So I usually just stick to regular boots for the whole game. ( back in the day when treads provided +16 intelligence had made treads perfect for DS )

What's your DS item-build?
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:21 AM   #2
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Mek, Pipe, or Vlads. Anything that the team needs. DS doesnt really need many items.
Core would be something like Boots, Bracers, Bottle/Wand.
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:23 AM   #3
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Yeah, I find pipe a situational item on DS. Only if enemy team has lots of nukers. And why vlads and/or Mek on DS? O_o
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:33 AM   #4
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Yeah, I find pipe a situational item on DS. Only if enemy team has lots of nukers. And why vlads and/or Mek on DS? O_o
Sorry i didn't explain it well. What i meant was Mek, Vlads, Pipe depending on the situation. If there's other supports which naturally gets Mek (eg. Lich) then theres no need. You could aim for Guinsoo or Shiva's but you wouldn't be farming much in a proper game so cheaper support items seems like a better choice imo.
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Old 11-16-2009, 05:01 AM   #5
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you could always jungle when not participating in team pushes, and no one is going to begrudge you for farming for an additional hex which will always come in handy.
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:54 AM   #6
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RoB +Void Stone + Pipe + Magic Wand
Any boot is fine, but i'd favour BoT.
Make that Voidstone a Guinsoo's, and you're set.
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:59 AM   #7
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Start off with stout + consumables when jungling
I go vanguard/pipe radiance BoT as a fun pub build
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Old 11-16-2009, 07:31 AM   #8
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RoB +Void Stone + Pipe + Magic Wand
Any boot is fine, but i'd favour BoT.
Make that Voidstone a Guinsoo's, and you're set.
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Old 11-16-2009, 09:25 AM   #9
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pres -> vanguard + euls
pipe bot guinsso in the most practical order to follow it up, which depends on how the game goes
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:19 PM   #10
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A situational vg, pipe boots wand is like his core. You need some mana too so a guinsoo would be pretty nice if you could farm it. Also for pubs, radi+bloodstone works wonders.
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:43 PM   #11
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Radiance is a horrible item on DS.

It's a mediocre item overall only used on heavy tanks (so there is incentive to target the tank), and for if you're base is being rushed by creeps (and you're about to lose) and you need something to deal with creeps.

And select heroes like Bloodseeker.
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:57 PM   #12
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See what I wrote? Pubs. They will run with fear when they see you coming with sparkles+shell at 522 ms with at least point+boots on like 25 min..
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Old 11-16-2009, 07:48 PM   #13
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stout+consumes if u are jungling. Core: Boots+mek. Pipe if many aoe casters. Lux: Sheep/BoT. basically get anything team needs
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Old 11-16-2009, 09:01 PM   #14
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You need to play DS aggressive imo, always initiate, so you shouldn't be fragile, which would come with the choice between pipe/vanguard, after that a dagger against very mobile heroes and shivas if the game tends to end early.

Core is always bottle normal boots and 2 bracers
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Old 11-16-2009, 10:48 PM   #15
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Anybody have any comments on the viability of orchid on DS?
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Old 11-17-2009, 01:07 AM   #16
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Shivas Refresher.

Honestly, there is nothing more game breaking then double wall.
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Old 11-17-2009, 01:11 AM   #17
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pres -> vanguard + euls
pipe bot guinsso in the most practical order to follow it up, which depends on how the game goes
same for me.
euls is always fun
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Old 11-17-2009, 01:20 AM   #18
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Shivas Refresher.

Honestly, there is nothing more game breaking then double wall.
Honestly, there is nothing more game breaking then a team who can see three copies of his enemies.
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Old 11-17-2009, 03:51 AM   #19
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I haven't played dark seer much but I usually jungle with Stouts, 1x Clarity Pot and rest of my gold on tango. I usually keep jungling till i get a bottle and a boot and leave jungle when i see an easy kill in a near lane (Not like top lane when in sent jungle) then i usually go for a Vanguard so I'll be less squishy then a phase to walk through creeps with surge on and i rush a mystic staff to be turned into a Shiva or a hex later on depending on what your team wants. After i get a Shiva or a hex, you can aim for a heart. And yes this is possible, just push a lot on all three lanes and you'll see gold flooding in. And make sure you carry TP scrolls so you can tp to towers to defend and push if they've pushed too far.

I follow the build from this guide: Darkseer - DotA Guides

But I've only read till the part where it says core then i made my own build after that.
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Old 11-17-2009, 09:56 AM   #20
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darkseer can buff your team immense in teamfights and he has to
a.) stay alive to do so--> some tanking (vanguard and sometimes hood/pipe)
b.) have the mana to use all spells at cd in fight (you need all of them as often as possible) --> euls is great if you farm fast you can try sheepstick
my build is RoB, and vanguard early, power treads (int is imortant) and you can go for sth like this for luxury:
radiance for aoe, with powertreads you deal some dmg, and radiance+surge
shivas for aoe and mana, no problem anymore
euls (not really luxury/mandatory if not rushing radiance)
heart for tanking (run in and out and reg, made for you)
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he can do almost everything so orchid is an option too, but normally you should prefer euls/shivas.
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Old 11-17-2009, 02:25 PM   #21
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pubstomp build -> jungle vanguard and a void stone, start ganking/farming EVERYTHING

make linkens
make BoTs

if you still haven't won, make shivas/sheepstick whatever you need
radiance is also lols
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Old 11-17-2009, 02:55 PM   #22
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Always jungle darkseer. It's just stupid to lane him with his ridiculous gank potential from level 2+.

Start = stout shield, heal pot (or tangos), courier
Core = Magic wand, bottle, RoB, Pipe, Phase boots
Luxury = Vanguard, shivas

Darkseer is a ganker, semi initiator and a great pusher. He doesn't initiate the best, since he has no real disable, so he's gonna get focused on when you sprint in with ion shell to vacuum. That's why you need to build him as a tank. Also, once you draw a bunch of fire from the enemies, your allies can come in and clean up the rest of them while you escape with sprint with low hp.

Darkseer also works well with sharing the ward bitch duties. If you're playing any type of high level play, you definately should assist in buying wards and since you have sprint and a natural roamer, it's probably easiest for you to be the one placing them as well.
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:38 PM   #23
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I like to go stout + some consumables+ stat items and make a perseverance.Then I split that and turn it into a vanguard + void stone. I get boots sometime before that as well.

I only get basilus if no one else on the team is getting one. Otherwise basilus is a great team boosting item. Usually, I work on the guinsoo next but I do not really rush it or go out of my way to farm it. I consider my core build finished before that so I help in ganks and team fights at that point.
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Old 11-17-2009, 11:16 PM   #24
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stout - Qb - clarities - vanguard - void/RoB - pipe - hex
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Old 11-17-2009, 11:49 PM   #25
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I like to play off of Darkseer's base abilities regarding both team and enemy positioning. Force staff is amazing for saving teammates and yourself, as well as positioning enemies in a team fight. With vaccuum, surge, and force staff, you can place both teams like you are playing a game of chess.
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:21 AM   #26
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So like uh.
Wand + 2-3 Bracer + Boots is core
Then like after you can get w/e.\
Pipe/Mek/Vlads/Guinsoo/Shiva/Necrobook
The last three are more commonly got when I play him, but sometimes you become a good carrier.
Eul/Vanguard are options you can get but I find it better to get one of those items instead.
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Old 11-18-2009, 11:31 PM   #27
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vanguard, boots shiva OR euls OR Quinsoo OR Orchid. All depends on there team
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Old 11-18-2009, 11:35 PM   #28
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would never give a static build for such a versatile hero
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