[Items]Ultimate accessory(updated)

Necru · 11-16-2009, 06:13 PM

Made changes. What do you think now guys?

Original idea:

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12 str 6 agi 6 int
510 + 510 + 525(recipe) 1545

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6 str 12 agi 6 int
460 + 460 + 375(recipe) 1295

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6 str 6 agi 12 int
485 + 485 + 450(recipe) 1420

crazy sheep · 11-16-2009, 07:11 PM

I see where you're going with this. Do be warned that it is more difficult to balance these sort of ideas than fresh concepts, because of slot saving.

Good try anyway, I like the idea, but the recipe cost has to be more.

K1T · 11-16-2009, 07:17 PM

maybe something like

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(or any other image?)

Necru · 11-16-2009, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy sheep

I see where you're going with this. Do be warned that it is more difficult to balance these sort of ideas than fresh concepts, because of slot saving.

Good try anyway, I like the idea, but the recipe cost has to be more.

I didn't quite catch that, what do you mean by saying "sort of ideas than fresh concepts, because of slot saving" ?

HELLRAISER · 11-16-2009, 08:10 PM

he means, how much a slot cost?

Necru · 11-16-2009, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HELLRAISER

he means, how much a slot cost?

Sorry for asking such a lame question, but what's a slot cost?

Gheizen64 · 11-16-2009, 09:18 PM

He means that those items are balanced not because of their gold cost but mostly because of their slot cost. So, an upgrade for them remove a big part of their cost, making them effectively too strong. Look at wand did to GG branches.

Audacious · 11-16-2009, 09:23 PM

Well... Because you are irritated by the space they fill up ?

Or what ?

crazy sheep · 11-17-2009, 11:39 AM

Slot saving is something which would explain the difference in price between, say a Circlet and 2 Branches.

Circlet:
185 gold, uses one inventory slot.

2x GG Branch:
106 gold, uses two inventory slots.

See where this is headed yet?

NoThlnG · 11-17-2009, 11:46 AM

Idea is nice but it's quite difficult to be balanced + your icon is bad xD

Necru · 11-17-2009, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy sheep

Slot saving is something which would explain the difference in price between, say a Circlet and 2 Branches.

Circlet:
185 gold, uses one inventory slot.

2x GG Branch:
106 gold, uses two inventory slots.

See where this is headed yet?

Thanks fro explanation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoThlnG

Idea is nice but it's quite difficult to be balanced + your icon is bad xD

It's a 1-2 min icons, still i disagree with you, it's not that bad, don't claim that it's uber good tho.

L|Enzo · 11-17-2009, 01:29 PM

Combining Bracer + WB + Null of Talisman is an old old old idea, sr to say that..
and as others had said..

Necru · 11-17-2009, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L|Enzo

Combining Bracer + WB + Null of Talisman is an old old old idea, sr to say that..
and as others had said..

The original idea was to combine 2 bracers/ 2 talismans/ 2 bands in order to create an ultimate bracer/ talisman/ band, but as you can see people claim that it's really hard to be possible.

Repeats · 11-17-2009, 05:18 PM

pointless idea. We already have enough stat items and this brings absolutely nothing new to the game. Not to mention that combinding all 3 of them is completely imba in itself due to their cheap stat boosts.

T-down. I really hate it when people suggest this since it has been about 500x before (literally). If it was going to happen, it would have already...

Necru · 11-17-2009, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Repeats

pointless idea. We already have enough stat items and this brings absolutely nothing new to the game. Not to mention that combinding all 3 of them is completely imba in itself due to their cheap stat boosts.

T-down. I really hate it when people suggest this since it has been about 500x before (literally). If it was going to happen, it would have already...

Well first of all no need to get all that emotional. You don't know, but I already said that I was not sure whether this idea was suggested or not. Secondly, as you can see the original idea was to combine 2 bracers/ 2 talismans/ 2 bands. By telling that we already have a lot of stat items, I can presume that you don't play competitive dota, more over, I can say that you play agi heroes like gondar & co., correct me if I'm wrong. I personally play supporting heroes like crystal maiden. During the game I don't possess good stat items. Wards and talismans/bracers are my only items and I feel that they don't give enough. Buying something like Ultimate orb or Point is too expensive for me. So, I really don't see why you consider this suggestion pointless.

uo111 · 11-17-2009, 11:00 PM

This is really fairly pointless. Its not imba at all. That is extremely stupid to think considering it cost more then a ult orb, only gives two stats, and is a dead end item.

I'm just gonna say, never mind that it has been suggested a couple thousand times before(I even had one before), but no one would get this item ever for any reason, unless they happen to get each of the stat items which no one ever gets anyways.

xy4kuz4x · 11-18-2009, 03:54 AM

It's looking like my idea earlier

Necru · 11-18-2009, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uo111

This is really fairly pointless. Its not imba at all. That is extremely stupid to think considering it cost more then a ult orb, only gives two stats, and is a dead end item.

I'm just gonna say, never mind that it has been suggested a couple thousand times before(I even had one before), but no one would get this item ever for any reason, unless they happen to get each of the stat items which no one ever gets anyways.

Ultimate orb costs 2100 and gives 10 attributes to all stats, my item costs 2200 and gives 12 attributes to all stats. My item is something like Ultimate orb + 2 branches.
But thanks for the "dead end" thingy, I agree with you here.

mahcookie · 11-26-2009, 04:22 PM

No. Just no, nothing more to add. T-down.

Necru · 11-26-2009, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahCookie

No. Just no, nothing more to add. T-down.

Lol, the most useless comment EVER. Don't bother to write something as useless as that if you can't say why.

11-16-2009, 06:13 PM	#1
Necru Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Finland Posts: 133	[Items]Ultimate accessory(updated) Made changes. What do you think now guys? 510+460+485+745=Ultimate accessory 2200 +12 to all attributes Original idea: + + = 12 str 6 agi 6 int 510 + 510 + 525(recipe) 1545 + + = 6 str 12 agi 6 int 460 + 460 + 375(recipe) 1295 + + = 6 str 6 agi 12 int 485 + 485 + 450(recipe) 1420

Last edited by Necru; 11-26-2009 at 04:39 PM. Reason: updating

11-16-2009, 07:11 PM	#2
crazy sheep Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: the Suggestions forum Posts: 558 Blog Entries: 6	Re: [Items]Ultimate accessories I see where you're going with this. Do be warned that it is more difficult to balance these sort of ideas than fresh concepts, because of slot saving. Good try anyway, I like the idea, but the recipe cost has to be more. __________________ Hero/Item suggestions, they're where I stay nowadays. Don't PM me if you want stories/reviews for your hero/item, currently busy IRL. Click here if you like: DBSK/Super Junior/SS501/SNSD/any other Korean artistes Suggestions needing comments so far: Gauntlets of Doom \| Blade of the Elders \| Battle Axe My fanfic: Legend of the Soul Linker Two guides under construction: Orb Walking miniguide and Hero Balance miniguide.

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crazy sheep Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: the Suggestions forum Posts: 558 Blog Entries: 6	Re: [Items]Ultimate accessories Slot saving is something which would explain the difference in price between, say a Circlet and 2 Branches. Circlet: 185 gold, uses one inventory slot. 2x GG Branch: 106 gold, uses two inventory slots. See where this is headed yet? __________________ Hero/Item suggestions, they're where I stay nowadays. Don't PM me if you want stories/reviews for your hero/item, currently busy IRL. Click here if you like: DBSK/Super Junior/SS501/SNSD/any other Korean artistes Suggestions needing comments so far: Gauntlets of Doom \| Blade of the Elders \| Battle Axe My fanfic: Legend of the Soul Linker Two guides under construction: Orb Walking miniguide and Hero Balance miniguide.

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