Advanced Statistics of Heroes (6.68)

WaRDeNsCiTy · 11-17-2009, 01:22 AM

Hello,

Remember the old board on Dota-AllStars ? It's Back !

[See at the end of the post to download the Excel table mentioned below]

Version 6.68 Final Stats Ranking

Average Stats 6.68

Average starting strength : 19,43
Average starting agility : 17,74
Average starting intelligence : 18,81
Average base stats : 55,97
Average strength gain : 2,10
Average agility gain : 1,95
Average intelligence gain : 2,12
Average stats gain : 6,15
Average final stats : 203,60
Average armor : 2,78
Average movespeed : 299,75
Average range (counting melee) : 326,40
Average missile speed : 1097,44

Drow Ranger with Marksmanship level 3 is 9th with 223.8.
Centaur Warchief with Great Fortitude level 3 is 1st with 237.8.
Butcher has a way to improve his stats indefinitely because of Flesh Heap.
Undying can also change his stats for a shot period with Decay.
Meepo is of course a special case with Divided We Stand.
Silencer can permanently steal 1 Intelligence if an enemy die around him with Last Word.
Obsidian Destroyer can steal intelligence from a target with Astral Imprisonment for 60 second.

Voila !

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So about the Excel Sheet now !

I have often thought that it would be great if IceFrog's website team could remake the old board of the old Dota All-Stars on playdota. It used to be a very good way to rank heroes in a lot categories just by clicking.

So I took my night (well my whole night like 7 hours) and made an Excel sheet with almost every information about statistics and advanced statistics of heroes in DotA. I have made it with Excel 2007 so to rank heroes regarding a particular statistic left click on the arrow beside field name above (Stats Gain by example) and click on Sort A to Z or Sort Z to A. If you want to disable the Heading with Excel 2007 : click on Page Layout => Heading => Deselect "View".

If you see any mistake please PM me or change it yourself. Also if you think I have made an horrible job with Excel (indeed it's true that's what I've done lol) you CAN FREELY CHANGE ANYTHING to make it look better visually, change the organization or add new things and then upload your new one.

Statistics Included in Excel : Heroes Name, Base Strength, Base Agility, Base Intelligence, Base Stats, Strength Gain, Agility Gain, Intelligence Gain, Stats Gain, Final Stats, Damage, Armor, Movespeed, Attack Range, BAT (Basic Attack Time), Missile Speed, Sight Range Day, Sight Range Night, Affiliation

Statistics NOT Included : Attack Animation, Casting Animation (frontswing and backswing for both statistics are NOT included)

And all of this typed by my little hands at 4:00 AM. I am so philanthropic !

(and so tired)

Good Night

Screenshot of the Excel Sheet :

DotA version of the Excel Sheet is 6.68 (some informations about new heroes have not been updated so I will complete the sheet when website creator will put them (you still have all the main info anyway !)

Edit #1 : Corrected BeastMaster Stats (Thank to Waz Mac)
Edit #2 : Added Average Statistics and other heroes skill that boost stats
Edit #3 : From 6.64 to 6.68 + cleaned my post a lot + added more average stats + fixed some errors

SirDumpling · 11-17-2009, 01:27 AM

+60 from Stat bonus, of course.

Good post, did you do this yourself?

dark.88 · 11-17-2009, 06:13 AM

It's funny, and unexpected, that a lot of the heros that see competitive play the most are at the bottom of the list. I'm guessing it's because those heros were so good at one time, that icefrog nerfed their stats. And heros that sucked at one time, got stat buffs. To me, it seems like abilities and items overcome the stat imbalances among all the heros.

Usually if a hero has less hp or dies often, players say they have lower stats, which isn't true. It's usually just lower strength or bad abilities/movespeed, which all hurt survivability.

Waz Mac · 11-17-2009, 06:24 AM

Nice job.

Theres an error with beastmasters growth (5.7 not 4.8).

Cáno · 11-17-2009, 10:18 AM

This is just awesome.
I actually wanted to do something like that myself but was too lazy. ( ︠._︡. )

Black Isle · 11-17-2009, 10:44 AM

thx this is rly cool

Yuki · 11-17-2009, 10:45 AM

dint expect sf to be 35th, tot that his stats were way sucky..

WaRDeNsCiTy · 11-17-2009, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirDumpling

+60 from Stat bonus, of course.

Good post, did you do this yourself?

Attribute Bonus are not counted (if it was Invoker would be screwed lol)
And yes I typed all with my hand, no formulas on Excel used only google)

Quote:

Originally Posted by dark.88

It's funny, and unexpected, that a lot of the heros that see competitive play the most are at the bottom of the list. To me, it seems like abilities and items overcome the stat imbalances among all the heros.

Usually if a hero has less hp or dies often, players say they have lower stats, which isn't true. It's usually just lower strength or bad abilities/movespeed, which all hurt survivability.

Well what make an hero is above all his skills and some heroes don't need agility by example Zeus agility is just ridiculous but it doesn't really affect him because it's a caster. It seems true that stats are here to counterbalance skills but Dazzle skill are all awesome and he is second and Weaver got pretty bad skills but she is still at the bottom. The thing is you can't really rank skill but you can rank numbers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waz Mac

Nice job.

Theres an error with beastmasters growth (5.7 not 4.8).

Thank you really much for finding this one. The error has been fixed on the Excel sheet and in my original post. It was actually an old mistake from my dota all stars post in august.

mDREAMm · 11-17-2009, 04:26 PM

This is,indeed and excellent article.I myself always wanted to create a similar one but did not have the time for it.Now i see that you have done great job here.

Furthermore,I think this article should belong both to Mechanics&Strategy since it is pure info mechanics-wise,but also provide great knowledge for the Strategy guys.We can assume that heroes with below 6.1 stat-gain per level usually have stronger spells(though it depends on the viewpoint)or their spells are,overall,strong throughout the whole game.
You deserve admiration for putting so much effort (especially at 4 a.m. :P ).
I really hope that this will be stickied so as to be seen by as many ppl as possible.

lazy · 11-17-2009, 04:27 PM

What about primary attribute ?

Not really,good job

Black Isle · 11-17-2009, 05:55 PM

"Clockwerk Gobelin" it isn't important though

lazy ur sig is psycho (:

nix · 11-17-2009, 08:18 PM

Don't forget to add a special mention to Silencer's Last Word int steal similar to that of Pudge's Flesh Heap, and a mention to Astral Imprisonment's temporary int steal similar to that of Dirge's Decay.

WaRDeNsCiTy · 11-17-2009, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mDREAMm

We can assume that heroes with below 6.1 stat-gain per level usually have stronger spells(though it depends on the viewpoint)or their spells are,overall,strong throughout the whole game.
You deserve admiration for putting so much effort (especially at 4 a.m. :P ).
I really hope that this will be stickied so as to be seen by as many ppl as possible.

Your answer made me remembered that I have not included average stats, thank. Well i don't think this deserve a sticky. It just deserve some link and quote when people are talking about stats but if you really love me that much I know a good swingers club at 200 meters of my home and it's open even after 4:00AM ....

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazy

What about primary attribute ?

Not really,good job

I don't understand. If you want to see primary attribute check affiliation criters I dunno what you mean exactly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nix

Don't forget to add a special mention to Silencer's Last Word int steal similar to that of Pudge's Flesh Heap, and a mention to Astral Imprisonment's temporary int steal similar to that of Dirge's Decay.

Thank you I just added those 2 skills I was just too tired to think about those int heroes

esmund · 11-18-2009, 02:40 AM

+1 my friend.
Thank you, this is very useful for DotA players.

green.bear · 11-18-2009, 08:04 PM

Very neat list. Will come in handy if 6.64 OMG comes out. A side note mentioning at 25 invoker doesn't get any attribute bonuses might be nice.

Methu · 11-18-2009, 09:11 PM

I did something similar some time ago. Did some calculations with the raw values.

If you wan't to take a look at it, I'll put a link here. Altough it's DotA 6.63 stuff atm.

For clarification: The right part of the list are the standard deviations from the average values (which are to be found underneath the raw values).

Zephirdd · 11-18-2009, 09:30 PM

no wonder alchemist sucks, he's 94th!

excellent list, thanks!
Would be nice a STR, AGI and INT list also though :P

EdgeMvrc · 11-18-2009, 11:46 PM

Great job! This is really helpful.
I never realized Terrorblade has such nice stats.

R.B.Economy · 11-19-2009, 01:50 AM

This proves that total stat gains does not affect the playability of a hero. Ability is. Take a look at the bottom-most hero...

3955elits · 11-19-2009, 02:05 AM

wait a minute,wind runner got 1.5 BAT?
never know about that...haha
this is good stuff thanks.
well, it's not a big surprise that comp heroes are on mid-low tier in term of stats and stats gain (except dazzle, kardel and lanaya) but weaver?
poor nerubian...

11-17-2009, 06:24 AM	#4
Waz Mac Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 210	re: Advanced Statistics of Heroes (6.68) Nice job. Theres an error with beastmasters growth (5.7 not 4.8).

11-17-2009, 10:18 AM	#5
Cáno Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kraków, Poland Posts: 4,132	re: Advanced Statistics of Heroes (6.68) This is just awesome. I actually wanted to do something like that myself but was too lazy. ( ︠._︡. )

Last edited by Cáno; 07-30-2010 at 04:11 PM.

11-17-2009, 10:44 AM	#6
Black Isle Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,002	re: Advanced Statistics of Heroes (6.68) thx this is rly cool

11-17-2009, 10:45 AM	#7
Yuki Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,478 Blog Entries: 1	re: Advanced Statistics of Heroes (6.68) dint expect sf to be 35th, tot that his stats were way sucky..

11-17-2009, 04:26 PM	#9
mDREAMm Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 601	re: Advanced Statistics of Heroes (6.68) This is,indeed and excellent article.I myself always wanted to create a similar one but did not have the time for it.Now i see that you have done great job here. Furthermore,I think this article should belong both to Mechanics&Strategy since it is pure info mechanics-wise,but also provide great knowledge for the Strategy guys.We can assume that heroes with below 6.1 stat-gain per level usually have stronger spells(though it depends on the viewpoint)or their spells are,overall,strong throughout the whole game. You deserve admiration for putting so much effort (especially at 4 a.m. :P ). I really hope that this will be stickied so as to be seen by as many ppl as possible. __________________ Even the lone warrior is still a warrior.

11-17-2009, 01:27 AM	#2
SirDumpling Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,631	re: Advanced Statistics of Heroes (6.68) +60 from Stat bonus, of course. Good post, did you do this yourself?

11-17-2009, 06:13 AM	#3
dark.88 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,219 Blog Entries: 1	re: Advanced Statistics of Heroes (6.68) It's funny, and unexpected, that a lot of the heros that see competitive play the most are at the bottom of the list. I'm guessing it's because those heros were so good at one time, that icefrog nerfed their stats. And heros that sucked at one time, got stat buffs. To me, it seems like abilities and items overcome the stat imbalances among all the heros. Usually if a hero has less hp or dies often, players say they have lower stats, which isn't true. It's usually just lower strength or bad abilities/movespeed, which all hurt survivability. __________________

11-17-2009, 04:27 PM	#10
lazy Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Slovakia Posts: 45	re: Advanced Statistics of Heroes (6.68) What about primary attribute ? Not really,good job __________________

11-17-2009, 05:55 PM	#11
Black Isle Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,002	re: Advanced Statistics of Heroes (6.68) "Clockwerk Gobelin" it isn't important though lazy ur sig is psycho (:

Last edited by Black Isle; 11-17-2009 at 06:06 PM.

11-17-2009, 08:18 PM	#12
nix Forum Staff Join Date: May 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 2,255	re: Advanced Statistics of Heroes (6.68) Don't forget to add a special mention to Silencer's Last Word int steal similar to that of Pudge's Flesh Heap, and a mention to Astral Imprisonment's temporary int steal similar to that of Dirge's Decay. __________________ The Complete Linken's Sphere -- UPDATED FOR 6.77b

11-18-2009, 02:40 AM	#14
esmund Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 49	re: Advanced Statistics of Heroes (6.68) +1 my friend. Thank you, this is very useful for DotA players.

11-18-2009, 08:04 PM	#15
green.bear Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 741	re: Advanced Statistics of Heroes (6.68) Very neat list. Will come in handy if 6.64 OMG comes out. A side note mentioning at 25 invoker doesn't get any attribute bonuses might be nice. __________________ Accounts: 1.classy.dude, christ.cookies, naiXXX, jewker, green.bear on AzerothEast. My suggestion to replace Flamebreak with Echolocate.

11-18-2009, 11:46 PM	#18
EdgeMvrc Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 103	re: Advanced Statistics of Heroes (6.68) Great job! This is really helpful. I never realized Terrorblade has such nice stats.

11-19-2009, 01:50 AM	#19
R.B.Economy Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 3,670 Blog Entries: 18	re: Advanced Statistics of Heroes (6.68) This proves that total stat gains does not affect the playability of a hero. Ability is. Take a look at the bottom-most hero...

11-19-2009, 02:05 AM	#20
3955elits Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 532	re: Advanced Statistics of Heroes (6.68) wait a minute,wind runner got 1.5 BAT? never know about that...haha this is good stuff thanks. well, it's not a big surprise that comp heroes are on mid-low tier in term of stats and stats gain (except dazzle, kardel and lanaya) but weaver? poor nerubian...