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Old 10-19-2012, 11:29 AM   #1
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Generally, do you think is he buffed or nerfed in 6.75?
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:32 AM   #2
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buffed. that no indicator charge is really a bitch.
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:33 AM   #3
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Buffed...
the dmg removal from haste is more than made up by his stun buff.
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:35 PM   #4
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Nerfed. He was useless in organized (still is), and losing his free +60 damage or so hurts him a lot in pubs, destroying his solo ganking potential in low-level pubbing. The indicator never meant too much in pubs as well.
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:57 PM   #5
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If you don't take into account all the item buff/changes he got a little buff. If you do take it, then he is a beast. Just change your playstyle and build.
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:58 PM   #6
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Early-Mid game buffed, late game slightly nerfed. I personally love the changes, they actually made me start playing him again.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:21 PM   #7
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There was a huge thread about this but generally people agreed he became a better ganker/snowballer at the expense of losing his solo ganking/hunting abilities.
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Old 10-19-2012, 02:32 PM   #8
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Early-Mid game buffed, late game slightly nerfed. I personally love the changes, they actually made me start playing him again.
You mean his early game was nerfed by losing Relic damage from Empowering Haste and late game was buffed by being able to lock down enemy carry who has a BKB on?
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Old 10-19-2012, 02:40 PM   #9
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There is no Barathrum in DotA 2, you must be playing LoL or HoN.
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Old 10-19-2012, 02:52 PM   #10
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He lost all his damage. So after he uses his easily interrupt-able charge and long cool down, short ranged ult, he turns into a melee creep. He turns into who instead of one-shotting the hero, stuns them. I've had multiple instances where after I blow the combo, the enemy hero escapes or forces me to back off. Being charged by SB is no longer scary. You just wonder if he has backup or not.
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Old 10-19-2012, 02:56 PM   #11
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Nerf,now this hero to much random
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Old 10-19-2012, 03:35 PM   #12
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The damage loss is more than compensated both by direct and indirect buffs he has received in more places than I care to list.

Also the fact he has the highest base strength in the game is something that I find particularly helpful for him in a place he used to suffer much; the laning phase.
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Old 12-30-2012, 01:21 AM   #13
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He needs more attack speed now...
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Old 12-30-2012, 01:26 AM   #14
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There is no Barathrum in DotA 2, you must be playing LoL or HoN.
dafuq did i just read? either you're a retard or you forgot that it's spirit breakers other name
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Old 12-30-2012, 01:55 AM   #15
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He go no reliable damage, his stun is 1/6 chance while slardar and void get 1/4 chance.

I can barely kill anyone solo, and if you were smart you would charge out of little distance anyways.
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Old 12-30-2012, 03:16 AM   #16
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it kinda feels like aghamins is a much needed item on him for that lowered cd.

either you go "that" route or you need to buy straight damage items

it isnt worth stacking attack speed because stun just doesnt proc enough and your damage is horrendous without a damage item, when before it wasnt
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Old 12-30-2012, 03:40 AM   #17
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beefed....
I like Barathrum Beef

---------- Post added at 11:40 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:40 AM ----------

beefed....
I like Barathrum Beef
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Old 12-30-2012, 03:42 AM   #18
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I think he got better personally, but what I don't like is that you are gimping yourself if you don't buy a MoM.
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Old 12-30-2012, 05:22 AM   #19
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Haven't played him yet, but I've played against the new Barathrum lots of times. Wards aren't just enough to prevent him from ganking. Sometimes there's that lucky SB bashing your ass with him picking up that Haste rune. Get Treads->Wand+Urn->MoM->Aghs/BKB early on and he's hard to stop. But his late game is weaker though, depending on your team that is. If he lands a bad Nether Strike/Charge of Darkness his team may lose. He needs allies more than ever though, with or without disables.
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Old 12-30-2012, 05:23 AM   #20
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Numbers-wise it was a buff but I've stopped playing him after the changes so can't really tell from experience.
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Old 12-30-2012, 06:31 AM   #21
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Default Re: Barathrum

Still not a fan of the haste change as I have lost a lot of kills because you have to rely on your stun for damage. If the chance was bumped up with levels or just the base amount I would be fine with it.
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Old 12-30-2012, 06:38 AM   #22
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You mean his early game was nerfed by losing Relic damage from Empowering Haste and late game was buffed by being able to lock down enemy carry who has a BKB on?
He did get 9 base damage increase and 6 base str increase so it's not that big of a loss. The buff on Charge is amazing, ganking the other lanes is so much easier and without the notification buff on enemies it's even more awesome. Empowering Haste however needs some kind of rework.
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Old 12-30-2012, 07:13 AM   #23
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Can not deal with new Bara at all. He feels weird. Armlet, MoM and BKB don't work anymore. He needs attackspeed now or Aghanims. And is primarily a disabler. But did not play him as much as I used to since the changes.
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Old 12-30-2012, 12:26 PM   #24
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Icefrog went the "buff 1 spell, nerf 1 spell" approach with Barathrum, which was a shit hero to begin with. There was no reason to nerf empowering haste, just because the charge got buffed.
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