Lifesteal and -armor

teStud0 · 11-23-2009, 12:12 PM

Since all types of lifesteal in DotA deal normal damage:

Does -armor amplify the lifesteal damage only or both damage and actual life stolen?

Cáno · 11-23-2009, 12:30 PM

Lifesteal doesn't deal damage.
Lifesteal is based on actual damage dealt.

Greets
Cáno

teStud0 · 11-23-2009, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cáno

Lifesteal doesn't deal damage.
Lifesteal is based on actual damage dealt.

Greets
Cáno

Taken from Feast notes:

• Damage type: physical
• Does not work on Roshan.
• Works against magic immune units.
• The heal is independent of the damage.

Care to explain?

Robzor · 11-23-2009, 12:40 PM

Feast is not lifesteal, it's a triggered ability.

Also, the heal is independent from the damage in the case of Feast.

teStud0 · 11-23-2009, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e00E

Feast is not lifesteal, it's a triggered ability.

Also, the heal is independent from the damage in the case of Feast.

So the damage amplification from -armor works only in Feast correct? Open Wounds?

Cáno · 11-23-2009, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teStud0

So the bonus damage amplification from -armor works only in Feast correct? Open Wounds?

Yes, because it deals physical damage.
Open woulds heal is based on actual damage dealt. -armor amplifies physical damage.

Greets
Cáno

Black Isle · 11-23-2009, 12:46 PM

Feast is a skill that does %4/5/6/7*(attacked unit's initial hit points) as a physical damage and add that portion to na'ix' health without reductions so feast's heal won't benefit from -armor. Though it's damage derives from HP of attacked units works well on heroes like axe/centaur. And those heroes usually has low armor comparing to their max hp so desolater helps to kill them quickly also increasing feast's damage done.

edit: lol i think im too slow. i ninjaed by a question with its answer omg.

teStud0 · 11-23-2009, 12:47 PM

Last question:

Soo the usual/ladder lifesteal can't be amplified nor reduced?

E.g: Hero with Satanic deals 100 damage. 100*0.25 = 25 lifesteal PERIOD. Correct?

Cáno · 11-23-2009, 12:50 PM

Yes.

Greets
Cáno

teStud0 · 11-23-2009, 12:54 PM

Ok. I'm good. You can close the topic now.

Black Isle · 11-23-2009, 12:59 PM

What? Afaik lifesteal is calculated after damage is done. Deriving from hp loss on target. u say this is wrong?

koma · 11-23-2009, 01:00 PM

normal lifesteal (everything except feast) heals you for x% of the damage you deal with a normal hit. Of course reduced armor increases your damage.
If you have 10% lifesteal, deal 500 damage and your enemy got 20% damage absorb by armor you deal 400 damage (500 - 20/100*500) and steal 40 hitpoints. that means you're healed by 40 hitpoints but your enemy still takes 400 damage and NOT 440!
If your enemy now has 0% armor because you got any armor reduction you deal the full 500 damage and steal 50 hp. So he has 500 hp less after this hit and you got 50 hp more.

I dont know much about Feast. Only that it's damage is calculated like: actual_hp*feast_value*X where X is probably any resistance. I dont even know if it depends on the actual hp before or after the normal hit.

Black Isle · 11-23-2009, 01:02 PM

That's what i'm saying actually..

@Soo the usual/ladder lifesteal can't be amplified nor reduced?
@Yes
Ok maybe i misunderstood. If you do certain points of damage there is no way to amplify it. That's true.

But can steal more health from a target that have lower armor ofc.

TeachMe · 11-24-2009, 05:36 AM

hmm i dont know if this is correct but i still don't understand. when having desolator and cuirass for (-)armor, and having vladimir's, the hero's damage will increase right? so does the lifesteal? or it's wrong?

teStud0 · 11-24-2009, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TeachMe

hmm i dont know if this is correct but i still don't understand. when having desolator and cuirass for (-)armor, and having vladimir's, the hero's damage will increase right?

Yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeachMe

so does the lifesteal?

No.

JaCKaSS_69 · 11-24-2009, 09:03 AM

@TeStud0:
you are wrong. Ladder's Lifesteal (aura or orb doesn't matter) actually is based off of the damage you deal to the target aka the hp it loses. So reducing the armor of the enemy unit, thus increasing the damage it takes, you lifesteal more.

Twilice · 11-24-2009, 09:07 AM

I great example of this,

If you do a critical strike you will steal ALOT more then without a critical strike. Thus if the enemy has lesser armor you will deal more normal damage and get more lifesteal. (which is based on your normal damage)

11-23-2009, 12:12 PM	#1
teStud0 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Pearl of the Orient Posts: 2,826 Blog Entries: 3	Lifesteal and -armor Since all types of lifesteal in DotA deal normal damage: Does -armor amplify the lifesteal damage only or both damage and actual life stolen? __________________ Playing since 6.27b [2006] Arc\|Sin\|Ti on DotA 2

11-23-2009, 12:30 PM	#2
Cáno Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kraków, Poland Posts: 4,132	Re: Lifesteal and -armor Lifesteal doesn't deal damage. Lifesteal is based on actual damage dealt. Greets Cáno

11-23-2009, 12:40 PM	#4
Robzor Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 858	Re: Lifesteal and -armor Feast is not lifesteal, it's a triggered ability. Also, the heal is independent from the damage in the case of Feast. __________________ Signature Guides Mechanics Auras \| Dummy Units \| Gameplay Constants \| Moon Glaive Splash \| Triggered Heals \| True Strike

11-23-2009, 12:46 PM	#7
Black Isle Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,002	Re: Lifesteal and -armor Feast is a skill that does %4/5/6/7*(attacked unit's initial hit points) as a physical damage and add that portion to na'ix' health without reductions so feast's heal won't benefit from -armor. Though it's damage derives from HP of attacked units works well on heroes like axe/centaur. And those heroes usually has low armor comparing to their max hp so desolater helps to kill them quickly also increasing feast's damage done. edit: lol i think im too slow. i ninjaed by a question with its answer omg.

11-23-2009, 12:47 PM	#8
teStud0 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Pearl of the Orient Posts: 2,826 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Lifesteal and -armor Last question: Soo the usual/ladder lifesteal can't be amplified nor reduced? E.g: Hero with Satanic deals 100 damage. 100*0.25 = 25 lifesteal PERIOD. Correct? __________________ Playing since 6.27b [2006] Arc\|Sin\|Ti on DotA 2

11-23-2009, 12:50 PM	#9
Cáno Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kraków, Poland Posts: 4,132	Re: Lifesteal and -armor Yes. Greets Cáno

11-23-2009, 12:54 PM	#10
teStud0 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Pearl of the Orient Posts: 2,826 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Lifesteal and -armor Ok. I'm good. You can close the topic now. __________________ Playing since 6.27b [2006] Arc\|Sin\|Ti on DotA 2

11-23-2009, 12:59 PM	#11
Black Isle Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,002	Re: Lifesteal and -armor What? Afaik lifesteal is calculated after damage is done. Deriving from hp loss on target. u say this is wrong?

11-23-2009, 01:00 PM	#12
koma Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 5	Re: Lifesteal and -armor normal lifesteal (everything except feast) heals you for x% of the damage you deal with a normal hit. Of course reduced armor increases your damage. If you have 10% lifesteal, deal 500 damage and your enemy got 20% damage absorb by armor you deal 400 damage (500 - 20/100500) and steal 40 hitpoints. that means you're healed by 40 hitpoints but your enemy still takes 400 damage and NOT 440! If your enemy now has 0% armor because you got any armor reduction you deal the full 500 damage and steal 50 hp. So he has 500 hp less after this hit and you got 50 hp more. I dont know much about Feast. Only that it's damage is calculated like: actual_hpfeast_value*X where X is probably any resistance. I dont even know if it depends on the actual hp before or after the normal hit.

11-23-2009, 01:02 PM	#13
Black Isle Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,002	Re: Lifesteal and -armor That's what i'm saying actually.. @Soo the usual/ladder lifesteal can't be amplified nor reduced? @Yes Ok maybe i misunderstood. If you do certain points of damage there is no way to amplify it. That's true. But can steal more health from a target that have lower armor ofc.

11-24-2009, 05:36 AM	#14
TeachMe Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1	Re: Lifesteal and -armor hmm i dont know if this is correct but i still don't understand. when having desolator and cuirass for (-)armor, and having vladimir's, the hero's damage will increase right? so does the lifesteal? or it's wrong?

11-24-2009, 09:03 AM	#16
JaCKaSS_69 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,139	Re: Lifesteal and -armor @TeStud0: you are wrong. Ladder's Lifesteal (aura or orb doesn't matter) actually is based off of the damage you deal to the target aka the hp it loses. So reducing the armor of the enemy unit, thus increasing the damage it takes, you lifesteal more. __________________ 98% of people have no idea of mechanics, if you are one of the 2% nerds put this in your sig

11-24-2009, 09:07 AM	#17
Twilice Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,259	Re: Lifesteal and -armor I great example of this, If you do a critical strike you will steal ALOT more then without a critical strike. Thus if the enemy has lesser armor you will deal more normal damage and get more lifesteal. (which is based on your normal damage) __________________ - 28 win streak before my first MM loss Nyx Assassin guide. If you don't know what you are doing none else will either, this includes your opponents. Use this knowledge wisely.