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Old 11-07-2012, 10:29 AM   #1
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What's the difference between disagreeing with an argument tautologically and disagreeing with it on an ontological level?
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:50 AM   #2
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The question is malformed, since tautology and ontology have nothing to do with one another. You might as well ask the difference between disagreeing with an argument geologically and disagreeing with it on a musical level.
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Old 11-08-2012, 05:37 PM   #3
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I almost always agree or disagree on a musical level. Arguments have to sound good in your head after all, and nothing better than a kick-ass guitar solo to make anything sound good!
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:04 PM   #4
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I almost always agree or disagree on a musical level. Arguments have to sound good in your head after all, and nothing better than a kick-ass guitar solo to make anything sound good!
Well then what about those face-smacking arguments trying to tell you the sun orbits around the earth ?
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:07 PM   #5
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Well then what about those face-smacking arguments trying to tell you the sun orbits around the earth ?
Fuck it to hell on a Ontological level.
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:09 PM   #6
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Well then what about those face-smacking arguments trying to tell you the sun orbits around the earth ?
Do you hear those arguments with a kick-ass guitar solo? because I don't!

I rest my case U_U
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:13 PM   #7
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Do you hear those arguments with a kick-ass guitar solo? because I don't!

I rest my case U_U
I much more imagine someone using said guitar to smack your face. There goes your solo, sir.
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:15 PM   #8
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The sound of a guitar smacking a face is not very pleasant, musically speaking of course, and that's why we don't agree with such arguments, because they sound bad.
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:29 PM   #9
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:11 PM   #10
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Screw you, Foede!

Now I can't stop listening to amazing guitar solos...
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Screw you, Foede!

Now I can't stop listening to amazing guitar solos...
I don't see a problem there :3
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:19 PM   #12
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I don't see a problem there :3
Won't be able to sleep thus won't be able to get up early thus will be late for my coffee machine thus will be late for university.
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Worth it >:3
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Unfortunately, yes. (:
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:54 PM   #15
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ITT: OP recently discovered 2 big words, now everyone else googles said words so they can join in with the debate.

Also a mod derails it and makes it about music.
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Old 11-08-2012, 09:00 PM   #16
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How on earth do you even agree/disagree on a "tautological level"?
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:56 AM   #17
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Well a student in my class made a presentation about an economics paper and claimed that he disagreed with it both tautologically and ontologically. I felt that his arguments pretty much had nothing to do with the subject itself since it didn't address any of the issues in the paper. Nevertheless, let me rephrase the question. What does it mean to disagree tautologically and what does it mean to disagree ontologically?
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:24 AM   #18
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Logic and Existence. I study this in school, but I won't bother making a WoT so here's a link: plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-ontology/

---------- Post added at 11:24 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:22 AM ----------

Foede should be reported for derailing.
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:57 AM   #19
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Sounds like your classmate was blowing hot air. I was under the impression that "tautology" is merely a literary element in which repetition is used to highlight a point, so in that context I find it quite difficult to disagree with anything on a "tautological level."

Perhaps someone could link an appropriate definition? My searches aren't bringing up anything of relevance.
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