[Effect] Shadow Raze

Küken · 12-11-2009, 04:54 AM

Hello, forumers.

One thing what really bugs me about Shadowraze, is the tiny graphical effect, compared to the quite big affected area.
If you just cast shadowraze and look at the effect, you could easily think, it has an AoE of about 100-150 at max.
But it actually has a whooping 275 AoE; so you will get hit by the spell, but the effect is not even close to touch you.
While the effect itself does not even look bad, I suggest changing it, or adding another effect on top of it, to give a better visual expression of the actual AoE of the skill.

For clarifying this, here some paint skillz

Using the skill and just paying attention to the effect causes you to assume a much too small affected area:

However, the skill's AoE is much bigger:

(I recoded Shadowraze to have it available in the testmap, however I use the same values for area of effect like shadowraze has in Dota.)

I did not find a specific effect to work well, in the testmap I included some possibilities (the new nevermore has 4 raze skills (using the same range, though); each skill provides another effect)

Effect 1:

Effect 2:

Effect 3:

€ Effect 4 (suggested by Cano)

Do not judge from the pictures, thought, the models look somewhat different ingame. (first effect looks quite cool on the pic, imo, but ingame it looks kinda strange)

I am not 100% happy with any of them; if anyone knows a fitting effect, or even can create one, please show it to me, so I can include it for the suggestion. Right now, I like the 4rd effect the most.

Note that I am NOT suggesting to keep different effects for different ranges, I suggest choosing one of them (or even another one currently not included in this suggestion) and take it for ALL shadowrazes.

Any improvement suggestion to this thread is welcome.

Thanks for reading.

Best regards
Kueken

€ Added effect suggested by Cano

FaultLess · 12-11-2009, 05:04 AM

shadowraze should be all black,,, BLACK! dark,,, imo,,, satan!,, devil,,

Thumbs Up on the idea.. but I'm don't like the animations you proposed!

Magical-Trever · 12-11-2009, 05:08 AM

I like this one.

Küken · 12-11-2009, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Magical-Trever

I like this one.

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Originally Posted by kueken

Do not judge from the pictures, thought, the models look somewhat different ingame. (first effect looks quite cool on the pic, imo, but ingame it looks kinda strange)

Did you watch it ingame actually?

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Originally Posted by FaultLess

shadowraze should be all black,,, BLACK! dark,,, imo,,, satan!,, devil,,

Thumbs Up on the idea.. but I'm don't like the animations you proposed!

You know a good one? I could include it.

dominator02 · 12-11-2009, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Magical-Trever

I like this one.

this.

FlamingFist · 12-11-2009, 05:19 AM

1st was really nc

Siraraz · 12-11-2009, 05:19 AM

#1 is unsmooth. The black cuts off within it. During team fights, will this cover up the scene slightly?

#2 looks better than #1. But has that sound, remove it and I guess this one suits theme.

#3 is my favourite, although I don't think it really has much to do with shadows. More like nature or something.

WHAT. Zinc. T_T, I'm still on vJass

You do know who I am right?

Küken · 12-11-2009, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Indrosion

#1 is unsmooth. The black cuts off within it. During team fights, will this cover up the scene slightly?

Most likely, it looks really cool on the pic but ingame it pretty much sucks :/

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#2 looks better than #1. But has that sound, remove it and I guess this one suits theme.

indeed, just the sound and the small artillery crater are hindrances

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#3 is my favourite, although I don't think it really has much to do with shadows. More like nature or something.

I like #3 the most, too. The effect is plain awesome, but unfortunately it doesn't fit Nevermore's (or Shadowraze's) style.
A black version of this would be superb.

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WHAT. Zinc. T_T, I'm still on vJass

Zinc is not much harder, its just another syntax, more like C (a bit).
I like it more then vJass, because of less verbosity. For lazy bastards like me, having to write less code is awesome

Quote:

You do know who I am right?

Indrosion... no, sorry, no idea. You got a hint for me? xD

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Shadowraze.w3x (88.6 KB, 0 views)

o_0 attachment view counter seems to be kinda buggy, at least you have downloaded the map, I think

L|Enzo · 12-11-2009, 05:41 AM

I don't like any of them so much..
T-up on the idea, to me, just making the current effect to match its real AoE is OK..

uo111 · 12-11-2009, 05:42 AM

First one looks the shits on screen shot.

But then it test map it just looks like it had to much to drink and died.

Phail

Second one is my personal fav animation. Though I didn't notice the sound on it as poster above me did.

Third one seems to fit best imo. Maybe it is the current one being green and all that, but it really feels like sf to me.

All in all, first one is epic phail, second one is awesome, and third one fits best.

Of course this is just my opinion.

Küken · 12-11-2009, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by L|Enzo

I don't like any of them so much..
T-up on the idea, to me, just making the current effect to match its real AoE is OK..

Would be quite hard, just resizing it ingame would increase the z value also; looks really ugly. If someone can change the model accordingly, it would be fine I guess.

Note that, if anyone knows another fitting effect, feel free to suggest it to me

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Ez_Mystery · 12-11-2009, 06:41 AM

this is awesome, the leaves could be removed btw

darker would be cool too

Null- · 12-11-2009, 07:22 AM

OMG!!! this is very cool!!! t-up t-up t-up

LulzYeah · 12-11-2009, 07:32 AM

Love your suggestion!

The 1st icon looks really cool and represents Nevermore's dark/black/evil theme.
The 2nd icon looks fairytale-like + dark theme; not good.
The 3rd icon looks too holy; which is a contrary to Nevermore's theme

T-up on 1st icon!

ZΣD · 12-11-2009, 07:41 AM

I like second effect,good vork OP

Siraraz · 12-11-2009, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Küken

Zinc is not much harder, its just another syntax, more like C (a bit).
I like it more then vJass, because of less verbosity. For lazy bastards like me, having to write less code is awesome

How would I learn it

Zinc stands for something weird...

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Originally Posted by Küken

Indrosion... no, sorry, no idea. You got a hint for me? xD

You saw my Magina vs Strygyre cinematic.

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Originally Posted by Küken

o_0 attachment view counter seems to be kinda buggy, at least you have downloaded the map, I think

How else would I know you coded with Zinc?

oeky · 12-11-2009, 10:21 AM

I don't think you need to change it, I like it the way it is now.
But I really like this one:

Cáno · 12-11-2009, 10:30 AM

The third effects is extremely well done, it just doesn't fit, though. I'd still rather see this effect than 1st or 2nd.
[modifying 3rd effect...

]

ResQ · 12-11-2009, 11:24 AM

The first one looks to powerful.

t-up to the 2nd.

Cáno · 12-11-2009, 12:59 PM

I replaced second animation with my own. Note that it can be used 3 times in very short intervals so it can't be too flashy and overwhelming.

Using custom preprocessors to create testmaps makes most people unable to edit the map. I had to modify MPQ itself to replace to file.

The file has 4.3 KB. After compression it should be even smaller.

Edit: APL, why not ICECREAM? Lulz.

12-11-2009, 05:19 AM	#6
FlamingFist Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: PH Posts: 1,630 Blog Entries: 6	Re: [Effect] Shadow Raze 1st was really nc

12-11-2009, 05:19 AM	#7
Siraraz Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 1,751 Blog Entries: 4	Re: [Effect] Shadow Raze #1 is unsmooth. The black cuts off within it. During team fights, will this cover up the scene slightly? #2 looks better than #1. But has that sound, remove it and I guess this one suits theme. #3 is my favourite, although I don't think it really has much to do with shadows. More like nature or something. WHAT. Zinc. T_T, I'm still on vJass You do know who I am right?

12-11-2009, 05:41 AM	#9
L\|Enzo Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,040 Blog Entries: 4	Re: [Effect] Shadow Raze I don't like any of them so much.. T-up on the idea, to me, just making the current effect to match its real AoE is OK.. __________________

12-11-2009, 05:42 AM	#10
uo111 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,485 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [Effect] Shadow Raze First one looks the shits on screen shot. But then it test map it just looks like it had to much to drink and died. Phail Second one is my personal fav animation. Though I didn't notice the sound on it as poster above me did. Third one seems to fit best imo. Maybe it is the current one being green and all that, but it really feels like sf to me. All in all, first one is epic phail, second one is awesome, and third one fits best. Of course this is just my opinion. __________________ My Suggestions Red Light WoW Icons

12-11-2009, 06:41 AM	#12
Ez_Mystery Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Wolf Den Posts: 2,686 Blog Entries: 4	Re: [Effect] Shadow Raze this is awesome, the leaves could be removed btw darker would be cool too __________________ Signature Suggestions ^ Signatures Collection ^

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12-11-2009, 05:04 AM	#2
FaultLess Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Philippines Posts: 590	Re: [Effect] Shadow Raze shadowraze should be all black,,, BLACK! dark,,, imo,,, satan!,, devil,, Thumbs Up on the idea.. but I'm don't like the animations you proposed!

12-11-2009, 05:08 AM	#3
Magical-Trever Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,447 Blog Entries: 4	Re: [Effect] Shadow Raze I like this one. __________________ Model Pack Custom Background Custom Sounds Other Stuff

12-11-2009, 07:22 AM	#13
Null- Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [Effect] Shadow Raze OMG!!! this is very cool!!! t-up t-up t-up __________________ My Suggestion My Signature IceFrog has added Rhasta - Icon Voodoo Vladmirs - Info and little remake Team Kill - Text and sound Butcher and Silencer - Text on icon Wraith Band - New icon and new name Ethereal Blade - New icon Terror Blade - New animation Illusion Nevermore - Animation and new effect

12-11-2009, 07:32 AM	#14
LulzYeah Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Meh.. Posts: 2,537 Blog Entries: 7	Re: [Effect] Shadow Raze Love your suggestion! The 1st icon looks really cool and represents Nevermore's dark/black/evil theme. The 2nd icon looks fairytale-like + dark theme; not good. The 3rd icon looks too holy; which is a contrary to Nevermore's theme T-up on 1st icon!

12-11-2009, 07:41 AM	#15
ZΣD Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 846	Re: [Effect] Shadow Raze I like second effect,good vork OP __________________ Just try an' stop me!

12-11-2009, 10:21 AM	#17
oeky Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sweden Posts: 128	Re: [Effect] Shadow Raze I don't think you need to change it, I like it the way it is now. But I really like this one: __________________ Roshan's model. Rapier.

12-11-2009, 10:30 AM	#18
Cáno Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kraków, Poland Posts: 4,126	Re: [Effect] Shadow Raze The third effects is extremely well done, it just doesn't fit, though. I'd still rather see this effect than 1st or 2nd. [modifying 3rd effect... ]

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12-11-2009, 11:24 AM	#19
ResQ Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 4,565 Blog Entries: 2	Re: [Effect] Shadow Raze The first one looks to powerful. t-up to the 2nd.