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Old 02-24-2013, 04:42 AM   #1
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Default As a new player to Dota, Spirit Breaker seems OP


Im veteran League of Legends player and recently have gotten really into Dota 2. i realize certain champions, like in LoL, are hard pub stompers. but when i see spirit breaker, i dont see how his ganks can be stopped. Is he good in higher level play, or is he just a pub stomper
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:44 AM   #2
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Also, a charged hero would have an indicator indicating that Spiritbreaker is charging at you. But even so it's not that hard to tell if a bara is charging at you or not. Ghost scepter helps a lot.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:45 AM   #3
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Im veteran League of Legends player and recently have gotten really into Dota 2. i realize certain champions, like in LoL, are hard pub stompers. but when i see spirit breaker, i dont see how his ganks can be stopped. Is he good in higher level play, or is he just a pub stomper
He's just a pub stomper.
His ganks aren't stopped because no one is trying to stop him. Just think of it this way: why is he being successful? What is the most obvious answer to that? Figure out all the problems by experience. If you have a problem figuring out the answers, come back to us.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:46 AM   #4
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Default Re: As a new player to Dota, Spirit Breaker seems

Spirit Breaker punishes teams very hard for having poor map awareness.
1.Make sure you have wards up as much as possible and have teammates carry teleports.
2. Keep an eye on the minimap. If you can't see SB, dont extend too far or be alone.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:47 AM   #5
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:48 AM   #6
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Default Re: As a new player to Dota, Spirit Breaker seems

He is pretty bad late game, unless he is fed really bad. Just stick together mid game, if u see him coming, u can stop him in his tracks.

He is a stomper only in low low skilled matches i think, where players often wander off alone too far from their team.

Also usually heroes with high hp can survive the charge/bash/ult combo most of the time. (ie easy to pick off drows, sniper, PA and the like)
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:48 AM   #7
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Default Re: As a new player to Dota, Spirit Breaker seems

Stun him before he hits you.

La la la

If you can't stun him before he hits you then he is just a good ganker, not much else to be said. He lacks in most other areas except that he is pretty tanky.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:59 AM   #8
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Default Re: As a new player to Dota, Spirit Breaker seems

His Damage output is Screwed by Slows,maim etc. he is not really that strong .
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:00 AM   #9
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Also, a charged hero would have an indicator indicating that Spiritbreaker is charging at you. But even so it's not that hard to tell if a bara is charging at you or not. Ghost scepter helps a lot.
Wasn't the charge indicator removed some patches ago?

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Old 02-24-2013, 05:05 AM   #10
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Also, a charged hero would have an indicator indicating that Spiritbreaker is charging at you. But even so it's not that hard to tell if a bara is charging at you or not. Ghost scepter helps a lot.
There is no longer any charge indicator....





get wards, get TP's.

If you see him coming TP somewhere else or call for an ally to TP to you. He's not OP, but if he gets fed hes an issue (same as any other hero).
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:05 AM   #11
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Default Re: As a new player to Dota, Spirit Breaker seems

Nah, ward up have disables and you will be fine.
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:05 AM   #12
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Default Re: As a new player to Dota, Spirit Breaker seems

welcome to dota. push the lane too far and you're fucked. when bara ganks you just take your hands off the keyboard and watch
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:08 AM   #13
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welcome to dota. push the lane too far and you're fucked. when bara ganks you just take your hands off the keyboard and watch
or you can have a reaction time better than 2 seconds and mini-stun / stun / hex / anything that will ruin his combo
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:09 AM   #14
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Default Re: As a new player to Dota, Spirit Breaker seems

Spirit Breaker is a pubstomp hero.

Pick Shadow Shaman or Lion.

Turn Spirit Breaker into a Chicken/Frog before he hits you or your ally.

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Old 02-24-2013, 05:09 AM   #15
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Default Re: As a new player to Dota, Spirit Breaker seems

At regular levels of play, people group together pretty quickly (about 10 minutes into the game). This is also around when SB comes online, so he really isn't very good because of this.
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:10 AM   #16
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Default Re: As a new player to Dota, Spirit Breaker seems

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Old 02-24-2013, 05:18 AM   #17
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Default Re: As a new player to Dota, Spirit Breaker seems

Always stick with your allies, pick some hero with disable. If you are squishy heroes without mechanic escape like drow or sniper, always tower hugging and stick with allies. Dont go alone
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:22 AM   #18
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Default Re: As a new player to Dota, Spirit Breaker seems

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Also, a charged hero would have an indicator indicating that Spiritbreaker is charging at you. But even so it's not that hard to tell if a bara is charging at you or not. Ghost scepter helps a lot.
At least play the hero or against him before comment?

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1) You can stun him when he is charging.
2) stick to team in mid game for 5 man doto
3) use Eul / Ghost Scepter if you can farm it
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:37 AM   #19
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Default Re: As a new player to Dota, Spirit Breaker seems

All you need to do is stop his charge, you can use any stuns to do so, even Force Staff SB stops his charge, if he buys a Shadow Blade and use it while charging, then your team needs detection and 5 man doto, you can even setup to him, put a hero alone in the lane and 4 allied heros smoked behind him or around, when SB arrives just surprise buttsecks him.
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:57 AM   #20
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I think he's underrated.
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Old 02-24-2013, 06:41 AM   #21
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He's just a pubstomper that sucks in higher brackets. Get some reliable disables and Ward and you'll be fine.
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Old 02-24-2013, 06:53 AM   #22
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Always stick with your allies, pick some hero with disable. If you are squishy heroes without mechanic escape like drow or sniper, always tower hugging and stick with allies. Dont go alone
, that's part of the fun with bara , if your team have some furion lesh ... some of those eater towers
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He is pretty bad late game, unless he is fed really bad. Just stick together mid game, if u see him coming, u can stop him in his tracks.

He is a stomper only in low low skilled matches i think, where players often wander off alone too far from their team.

Also usually heroes with high hp can survive the charge/bash/ult combo most of the time. (ie easy to pick off drows, sniper, PA and the like)
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He's just a pubstomper that sucks in higher brackets. Get some reliable disables and Ward and you'll be fine.
SB has the 3rd highest win rate in diamond but of course hes trash on PD pros level.

Anyways, if you're a support get a ghost scepter. If you're a carry hope your supports are good enough to carry tps and react to SB. If they ward the map properly and have awareness to tp in to help counter gank he becomes easier to handle. Also don't overextend.
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Old 02-24-2013, 08:48 AM   #24
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Im veteran League of Legends player and recently have gotten really into Dota 2. i realize certain champions, like in LoL, are hard pub stompers. but when i see spirit breaker, i dont see how his ganks can be stopped. Is he good in higher level play, or is he just a pub stomper
As his name suggests, he breaks your fighting spirit once he comes. He'll just keep chasing, bashing and nether striking you to death. Just don't farm alone where he can see you. Pay attention to map, if he's missing and you're alone, chances are he's coming for you. He's not in anyway imba, but he's good against players that spend time farming alone and have little map awareness.
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Old 02-24-2013, 08:55 AM   #25
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Default Re: As a new player to Dota, Spirit Breaker seems

He is a good ganker that transitions to tank. In fact he always been that way even before the remake. He used to be quite useless in higher lvl of play but now his greater bash go through magic immunity so he will probly be used much more.
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Old 02-24-2013, 09:37 AM   #26
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Just play strong 1v1 heroes like Troll Warlord and Ursa and watch his ganks become useless.
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Play Night Stalker. He's a better version of Spirit breaker.
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He's not even that good of a pub stomper.
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Old 02-24-2013, 10:22 AM   #29
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To those saying that stunning or disabling Bara as he charges you, that doesn't really work unless you have a hero with a really good casting animation, especially if you're getting charged.

But Bara does have his counters. One of Bara's weakness is that you can exploit his positioning because he has to charge to you, so run to your team and let them whale on him if you know you can't disable him quickly enough if he's charging you.

EDIT: Most Bara players buy Mask of Madness, so that's another thing you can take advantage of.
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Im veteran League of Legends player and recently have gotten really into Dota 2. i realize certain champions, like in LoL, are hard pub stompers. but when i see spirit breaker, i dont see how his ganks can be stopped. Is he good in higher level play, or is he just a pub stomper
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Old 02-24-2013, 11:17 AM   #31
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Guy says he's new to DotA.

The biggest difference between LoL and DotA is that DotA is skewed heavily in favour of offense, initiation and ganking.

This is due to a combination of shorter sight range / more zoomed in view / generally higher hero damage / weaker towers / longer ranged initiation abilities and stronger crowd control. The laning phase also breaks down much earlier as the XP and assist gold for killing things is high, the map is relatively smaller, and TP scrolls exist.

In LoL you can be on the same screen as 4 other guys and not be in any real danger as long as you aren't hit by the equivalent of a Pudge hook. Ganking or initiating in LoL takes significant effort and preparation, teams will regularly back and forth infront of eachother on the same screen looking for an opportunity to start a fight.

In DotA things will initiate on you from over a screen away completely outside of your vision and kill you in 1 stun combo before you can move. This isn't a Spirit Breaker thing, it's just how DotA works. The result is that vision, map awareness and positioning are much more important in DotA that in LoL, while ganking or starting a fight is much easier.

So yea, being slightly out of position and making yourself visible to the other team means that a Spirit Breaker can kill you, but the same goes for like 40 other heroes.
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Also, a charged hero would have an indicator indicating that Spiritbreaker is charging at you. But even so it's not that hard to tell if a bara is charging at you or not. Ghost scepter helps a lot.
Only allies of Barathrum got this indicator.
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He's viable in some comps, but a fairly bad hero overall

Not overpowered, or drastically underpowered
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Im veteran League of Legends player and recently have gotten really into Dota 2. i realize certain champions, like in LoL, are hard pub stompers. but when i see spirit breaker, i dont see how his ganks can be stopped. Is he good in higher level play, or is he just a pub stomper
As a "veteran League of Legends player" myself I'm here to save you some trouble.

You're gonna come across a lot of heroes that seem disgustingly broken to you. My advice? Play the game for a year with bots and 5 man stacks before even touching these forums with posts. The last thing you want to do on here is come every other day explaining how something you've just played "seems OP."

Just try to play the game out without the taint of other people's viewpoints(ironic considering my statement), seriously, it'll work wonders for your progression. Also keep an open mind with things that you think are broken or overpowered, this game has been around for nearly 10 years, the balance isn't nearly as tipped as it seems to be.
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Also, a charged hero would have an indicator indicating that Spiritbreaker is charging at you.
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As a "veteran League of Legends player" myself I'm here to save you some trouble.

You're gonna come across a lot of heroes that seem disgustingly broken to you. My advice? Play the game for a year with bots and 5 man stacks before even touching these forums with posts. The last thing you want to do on here is come every other day explaining how something you've just played "seems OP."

Just try to play the game out without the taint of other people's viewpoints(ironic considering my statement), seriously, it'll work wonders for your progression. Also keep an open mind with things that you think are broken or overpowered, this game has been around for nearly 10 years, the balance isn't nearly as tipped as it seems to be.
This is a DotA forum. This section is called DotA chat. He came on here to start a discussion relating to DotA in some way. In a skewed way he was even asking for help. You can't tell him he needs to play the game for a year before being eligible for using this forum. Unless you want DotA Chat to be filled with only vet DotA 1 players who played for 10 years? I don't know...maybe you do.

I also don't see why the hell you would advise anyone to play with bots in a game that is specifically designed for 5v5 human play. Bots are nothing but bullshit really.
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