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Old 03-04-2013, 04:58 PM   #1
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From 1 to 10, how balanced is DotA overall?

1 being complete utter garbage, and 10 being perfectly balanced, no flaws, no overpowered heroes in any way.
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:00 PM   #2
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Haven't played DotA in a long time...

...though I'd give Dota 2's balance a 7 or 8, but that probably change when all the heroes are ported over.
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:00 PM   #3
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Haven't played DotA in a long time...

...though I'd give Dota 2's balance a 7 or 8, but that probably change when all the heroes are ported over.
to worse?
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:01 PM   #4
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:02 PM   #5
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to worse?
Eh, I'm not entirely sure how it would change.

We'll just have to wait and see.
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:07 PM   #6
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8-9 for dota 2 and 5-6 for dota . Too many non -cm hero
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:08 PM   #7
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:09 PM   #8
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:13 PM   #9
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for CM it's probably close to being 10/10 for balance.

for each hero having the same relative power as every other hero? probably 4/10 or 5/10.
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:19 PM   #10
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From memory:

2010 10/10
2011 8.5/10
2012 7.5/10
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:19 PM   #11
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who cares
perfect balance can never be achieved
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:28 PM   #12
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From memory:

2010 10/10
2011 8.5/10
2012 7.5/10
2013 7.5/10
Jaded bittervets these days...

Seriously though, such rankings don't make much sense. What's the difference between 6 and 7? Is the scale linear, exponential or something else (and while we're at it, do those terms even make sense in the context)? Most importantly, what issues do we address with this "quiz"?

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Old 03-04-2013, 05:29 PM   #13
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^and what are we comparing it to?
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:45 PM   #14
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:47 PM   #15
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Jaded bittervets these days...
I don't even know what that means. D:
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:54 PM   #16
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When a new patch is released: 10.

After every subsequent month, the score drops by 1. (So after 10 months the score drops to 0).
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:54 PM   #17
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I think 8. Not that we want perfect balance anyways.
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:03 PM   #18
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8 or 9.
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:40 PM   #20
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It is about an 8.5

It can't be 10 because nothing is perfect, right? ^^
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:44 PM   #21
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8

it's only a few heroes/skills/items that are imba
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:03 PM   #22
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About an 8/10, which is really good. Perfect balance is boring.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:14 PM   #23
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Based on your rating, 10 is not desired to be reached.

A little imbalance is what makes this game.

With the support IF has now from valve, he would just have to check the lists and could easy enforce a super balanced game. By this i mean that all heroes have 49-51% win.

You can see TI as the main event of cycles. Every hero that is strong there will be nerfed hard. Thus making place for other heroes to shine in the next TI, etc etc...

That is dota. so a 5 should be the target in you rating.
currently its 6.

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Old 03-04-2013, 08:19 PM   #24
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10% of heroes are 10/10
40% are 9/10
30% are 8/10
10% are 7/10
5% are 6/10
5% are 5/10

So overall I'd say DotA sits at ~8/10
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:24 PM   #25
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10% of heroes are 10/10
40% are 9/10
30% are 8/10
10% are 7/10
5% are 6/10
5% are 5/10

So overall I'd say DotA sits at ~8/10
which 10 heroes are you saying are perfectly balanced?
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:27 PM   #26
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There is only a few heros that need re-balancing so, I can say 8/10.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:28 PM   #27
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which 10 heroes are you saying are perfectly balanced?
Earthshaker
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:48 PM   #28
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7.5/10
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:35 PM   #29
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I bring a 9 for dota 2
There are just a bit of problematic heros: Drow, KoTL, NyX, PL, LS and maybe IO and Magnus
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:29 AM   #30
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7/10

70% (Average-Above Average), a "passing" grade, but not spectacular. The game could easily elevate itself to 85%+, just by adjusting a select few obviously broken heroes. 90%+ range would require lower tiers being balanced better, and the worst heroes to be integrated into the game in a meaningful way. 95%-100% will not be accomplished in Dota, without removal of many heroes, however 70% is satisfactory (and better than the competition... by far), so it's good enough as is, but the UMS does, nevertheless, need improved balanced
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:48 AM   #31
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8/10 because really i think he needs to just nerf Wisp, Kotl a lot and a few heroes a little bit like Nyx or Bat or Magnus, and the rest is fine (talking about the ones in CM here, he also need to take them all to CM).
Very few/No complete trash heroes too which is important because in games like LoL there is a shitload of heroes left to die and it's sad.
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Based on your rating, 10 is not desired to be reached.

A little imbalance is what makes this game.

With the support IF has now from valve, he would just have to check the lists and could easy enforce a super balanced game. By this i mean that all heroes have 49-51% win.

You can see TI as the main event of cycles. Every hero that is strong there will be nerfed hard. Thus making place for other heroes to shine in the next TI, etc etc...

That is dota. so a 5 should be the target in you rating.
currently its 6.

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About a 7. This is just a survey, or do you want reasoning?
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:50 AM   #35
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i would say its at about 7ish due to cancerlancer. I come from HoN and 4.2 per level is beyond ridiculous on any hero let alone the one that gets 8 images, a reliable nuke/slow and one of the best escapes in the game.

Nyx, naix, kotl and wisp are a bit too strong as well (that nyx spiked armor is ridiculous)
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i would say its at about 7ish due to cancerlancer. I come from HoN and 4.2 per level is beyond ridiculous on any hero let alone the one that gets 8 images, a reliable nuke/slow and one of the best escapes in the game
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one of the best escapes in the game
Wait, what?

Phantom Lancer is a little over the top, but doppelwalk is terrible compared to many other baked in escapes, or a Lothar's/Shadow Blade. It's only real merit is that is an escape tool; relative to other escapes, it's trash
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surprised no one said this yet.

4.2

(though my real choice would be 7)
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Wait, what?

Phantom Lancer is a little over the top, but doppelwalk is terrible compared to many other baked in escapes, or a Lothar's/Shadow Blade. It's only real merit is that is an escape tool; relative to other escapes, it's trash
For pl its incredible, with the spawning of the illusion its incredibly hard to kill him in big fights even if you have dust or a gem, because chances are that illusion will become 3 fairly soon.

Comparing the power of all his other skills and having this escape aswell is just mental. I understand spells like blink/leap are stronger in general as pure escapes
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