[Remake/Drop Item] Roshan's Drop.

[oeky]

Not many people these day are getting them self's a Rapier, especially if it's a competitive Dota.

So I wanted to suggest, maybe it's already suggested, to remove Divine Rapier from the shop and add it to Roshan's drop, BUT to ban it to wear at the same time with Aegis. In other words you can't wear Divine Rapier and Aegis at the same time.

Keep Divine Rapier's ability to be dropable upon death and to disappear after some time(I don't remember exactly how many minutes it is) the same way as Aegis disappears.

[Subway]

Gosh I can't even imagine the unforeseeable consequences this change might have! But I like where your heart is at. Rapier is actually in DotA, most of us are unaware of it's existence but you want to change that. It's a very premature concept. Nonetheless I will support your efforts! Also, making the wearer only capable of carrying one item is a good idea.

T-Up.

[oeky]

Originally Posted by Subway

Also, making the wearer only capable of carrying one item is a good idea.

Otherwise it would be too imba for heroes who can kill Roshan very early like Ursa, Venom and Lycantrope.(This is just little information for those, who doesn't understand why it's important to separate them.)

And thanks for a warm feedback.

[ResQ]

Would make pub stomp heroes like Ursa to overpowered, since no1 cares about him doing rosh in pubs.

[Stomp]

to remove imbalance make rapier drop from Roshan #2++, or even #3++
anyway, T-UP! smth fresh with aegis and rapier!

[oeky]

Originally Posted by n!ght

Would make pub stomp heroes like Ursa to overpowered, since no1 cares about him doing ursa in pubs.

I don't think that ursa is that dangerous without aegis. Plus as I stated it's not permanent, it will be available only until new Roshan is spawned, and it's not that much of a time.

[ResQ]

Originally Posted by oeky

I don't think that ursa is that dangerous without aegis. Plus as I stated it's not permanent, it will be available only until new Roshan is spawned, and it's not that much of a time.

Hell, didn't you got my point? Any hero who can kill rosh alone will be overpowered! Did you know that mostly ursa players kill roshan under the ~10-15min cap? Imagine ursa with +300, with ultimate and rapier.

Nothx. Bad idea.

[oeky]

Originally Posted by n!ght

Hell, didn't you got my point? Any hero who can kill rosh alone will be overpowered! Did you know that mostly ursa players kill roshan under the ~10-15min cap? Imagine ursa with +300, with ultimate and rapier.

Nothx. Bad idea.

I did get your point, lol. Now I would like to see how you're going to risk loosing that Rapier. Killing Ursa, specially under 15 min, is not that hard. 2 stunners vs 1 Ursa, guess who's going to lose?

PLUS, this will give you more motivation to control Roshan better.

[TT_VbFF]

Originally Posted by oeky

Not many people these day are getting them self's a Rapier, especially if it's a competitive Dota.

Have you ever watched competitive DotA? Never seen Yamateh rushing 3+ Rapiers?

Also T-D on the idea, it makes level 1 roshan and early level roshan far too rewarding, and is extremely gamebreaking for a team thats been outplayed to pull off a successful rosh and have their carry automatically gain +250 damage... I'm sorry but this is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever read.

[oeky]

Originally Posted by no.limit

Have you ever watched competitive DotA?

Show me the last game, serious game, when one of the teams went for Rapier? Link pls.

Never seen Yamateh rushing 3+ Rapiers?

Originally Posted by no.limit

it makes level 1 roshan and early level roshan far too rewarding

maybe true, it can be like 1lvl - Aegis 2lvl - Aegis + Rapier 3lvl - Rapier Aegis Cheese and etc.

Originally Posted by no.limit

extremely gamebreaking for a team thats been outplayed to pull off a successful rosh and have their carry automatically gain +250 damage

Emm..so? You got +250, what's next? Simple focus and say bye bye to Rapier. Plus the fact that Rapier is not permanent means that you can't waste your time, either push or be ready to waste Rapier.

[TT_VbFF]

Originally Posted by oeky

Show me the last game, serious game, when one of the teams went for Rapier? Link pls.

It isn't the "last game" Yamateh does it all the time, even during SMM

Originally Posted by oeky

maybe true, it can be like 1lvl - Aegis 2lvl - Aegis + Rapier 3lvl - Rapier Aegis Cheese and etc.

This would be better

Originally Posted by oeky

Emm..so? You got +250, what's next? Simple focus and say bye bye to Rapier. Plus the fact that Rapier is not permanent means that you can't waste your time, either push or be ready to waste Rapier.

You have +TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY damage. Your downsizing it. This makes any hero a very very dangerous carry, especially since the 3 Carry Hybrid 2 Turtlers strategy is now widespread. 1 Successful Rosh is completely game breaking. After your carry has +250 damage for free from a Rosh you push and end the game. He cannot be focused down because of many factors. 1. Team, 2. Skill, 3. Farm. The metagame has shifted towards farming after SMM, as boring as watching 6 heroes rice for 35 minutes is, its the truth. Bad idea imho, just keep it as a sometimes used recipe item.

[oeky]

Originally Posted by no.limit

It isn't the "last game" Yamateh does it all the time

Well dota is not about Yamateh, or Asians(no disrespect), because they are famous for using weird picks and strategies, which eventually work.

Originally Posted by no.limit

You have +TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY damage. Your downsizing it. This makes any hero a very very dangerous carry, especially since the 3 Carry Hybrid 2 Turtlers strategy is now widespread. 1 Successful Rosh is completely game breaking. After your carry has +250 damage for free from a Rosh you push and end the game. He cannot be focused down because of many factors. 1. Team, 2. Skill, 3. Farm. The metagame has shifted towards farming after SMM, as boring as watching 6 heroes rice for 35 minutes is, its the truth. Bad idea imho, just keep it as a sometimes used recipe item.

Now I see your point, and no, I'm not satisfied with just leaving it as a recipe item.

Just need time to rethink once more.

[SNOW37]

what if the rapier scaled so that it wasnt as good for the first few deaths of roshan. maybe 100/175/250/325/400?

I only add the 325 and 400 for fun. I've never seen a game that has had more than 3 roshes so its kinda just for academic reasons.

T-UP if the rapier gets scaled.

[oeky]

Originally Posted by SNOW37

what if the rapier scaled so that it wasnt as good for the first few deaths of roshan. maybe 100/175/250/325/400?

I only add the 325 and 400 for fun. I've never seen a game that has had more than 3 roshes so its kinda just for academic reasons.

T-UP if the rapier gets scaled.

I was think of nerfing Rapier from 250 to 200 or even 150 dmg, but I'm afraid that people might just find it not that efficient as it is now.

[Black.Lotus]

Great idea, but this would be stupid...

Make a mode for it. Maybe -dror [Divine Rapier on Roshan].

[oeky]

Originally Posted by Black.Lotus

Great idea, but this would be stupid...

Make a mode for it. Maybe -dror [Divine Rapier on Roshan].

Nobody is going to play it, the same way as nobody is playing -dm, the same what as nobody is playing -sc(super creep) and the same way as nobody is playing -wtf. By nobody I mean a very few number of people.


My aim is to make Rapier more popular among competitive level players.

[Quiesce]

No one plays -miniheroes mode.

T-Down for this, because Divine Rapier is made for people who have completely raped their opponents.

[infer]

tell me where u got ur sig and avatar and u got a t-up

it isn't a rlly good idea, i as a pro pubstomper tell u so, NOT EVERYONE plays 5v5 NOT EVERYONE plays 4v4 NOT EVERY TEAM has a bunch of stunners REMEMBER pubs are the lulz pubz so it isn't 100% accurate saying every pubby team of 5 players has 2 stunners or nukers, i remember in a 3v3 game we played imba 3 agi heroes guess what... we won :S if we add ur idea 2 of 3 things are going to happen, most of pubbers left the game QQing about "OMFG IMBA TEAM DIVINE RAPIER WIPED MA ASS IN 13 MINS WTF !" as the first idea, no new players for dota bcuz they get imba-pub stomped by "pro-stompers" in all the games as second idea and a part of the pubbers LEARN how to at least play AT LEAST A BIT, so u killed dota in 2 ways and saved it in 1 way but no one knows for sure what of those 3 will happen

t-d

[Lycan]

let think about it this way,

furion and enigma lvl 1 doing rosh, walking to a lane doing 2 hits and basicly oneshit heroes....

[Killmachine]

This is an interesting idea. It could improve the role of roshan in competitive games. The restrictions provided is enough to balance the case and the disappearing of Rapier like Aegis is an another balancing feature.

T-Up.