[NEW ITEM] Ethereal Scepter

Whitefang · 07-27-2009, 02:18 PM

Ethereal Scepter

Bought from: Arcane Sanctum

Item Ingredients

1500 +

1000 +

484 +

515 =

3499

Item Description

A mysterious scepter of a great wizard where he used it to duel with his arch rival on a Nether Plane where they can absorb magical essence and banish for eternity.

Item Bonus

+10 strength
+10 agility
+10 intelligence
+300 mana
Ghost Form (active)
Mana Boost (passive)
Essence Channel (passive)

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Ghost Form (active)

Transforms the bearer to ethereal form for 4.5 seconds, becoming immune to physical attacks and unable to attack physically but taking 44% extra damage from spells. Does not stack with other ethereal effects.

Cooldown: 25 seconds
Duration: 4.5 seconds
Allowed Targets: Self

Ethereal form ends if you become magic immune, and will have no effect if you are already magic immune.
Only magical and pure damage can harm units under the effect of ethereal form.
Scream of Pain, Echo Slam, Heat Seeking Missile and Blade Fury will not damage a units under ethereal form effect, even though they deal magical damage.

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Mana Boost (passive)

Increase maximum mana point by 10% for 3 seconds everytime bearer cast a spell. Stacks a maximum of 3 times.

Duration: 3 seconds
Allowed Targets: Self

Current mana point will increase at the same time and amount when maximum mana point is increase.
Certain abilities, such as arrow abilities (Frost Arrow, Poison Attack, etc) and item abilities, will not trigger Mana Boost.

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Essence Channel (passive)

Bearer gains 25 health and mana for every spell casted within 1600 AoE. Bearer is also healed for 30.5% of the spell damage taken under Ghost Form. Damage is applied before the heal.

Area of Effect: 1600
Allowed Targets: Any unit

Ethereal Scepter is a separate item to Magic Wand/Stick.
Certain abilities, such as arrow abilities (Frost Arrow, Poison Attack, etc) and item abilities, will not trigger Essence Channel.

*The advantage of Essence Channel over Magic Wand/Stick is that you don't have to worry about getting stun locked from dangerous combo and die without even getting opportunity to use Magic Wand/Stick charges. It can also serve as regenerating mechanism and doesn't have a cooldown like Magic Wand/Stick.

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zackofanime · 07-27-2009, 02:50 PM

This sounds like there's a huge chance you're going to screw your team over if you activate it in the wrong moment. Also, there's a possible imbalance issue since Ghost Scepter already counters so many things.

Cp6uja · 07-27-2009, 03:06 PM

Items should be created in root of suggestions. Only Remakes of current ones should go to remakes. Since this is a new item, moving to root of suggestions.

Moved.

Mfunn · 07-27-2009, 03:14 PM

making allies unable to attack in aoe sounds bad, not every hero needs melee survivability, for example tanks. and making all your allies +44% spell dmgs will just destroy any of your ally if theres a AOE spell trown at you
t-down

this reminds me this funny vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSIL1canO18

Whitefang · 07-28-2009, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mfunn

making allies unable to attack in aoe sounds bad, not every hero needs melee survivability, for example tanks. and making all your allies +44% spell dmgs will just destroy any of your ally if theres a AOE spell trown at you
t-down

this reminds me this funny vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSIL1canO18

Updated!

coolers · 07-28-2009, 05:40 AM

which colours are we using here

i am colour blind and this blend has not crossed me until now

intriguing.. yes

Siraraz · 07-28-2009, 06:36 AM

I'm not very good at DotA Allstars itself, so I don't exactly know how this would fit into the game much. But just one thing, this would go good with Mekansm right?

250 x 1.66 = 415 HP healed
250 x 1.44 = 360 HP healed

I think its by 44% or 66% (Heals on Ethereal units are higher I think).

chadpiety123 · 07-28-2009, 06:40 AM

I doubt if it's even codable to change the modifier of ethereal depending on situqation. AFAIK, it's a game constant.

Whitefang · 07-28-2009, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by APL

I'm not very good at DotA Allstars itself, so I don't exactly know how this would fit into the game much. But just one thing, this would go good with Mekansm right?

250 x 1.66 = 415 HP healed
250 x 1.44 = 360 HP healed

I think its by 44% or 66% (Heals on Ethereal units are higher I think).

I'm not sure about heals and buff but it I think it only amplifies 44% magic damage.

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Originally Posted by chadpiety123

I doubt if it's even codable to change the modifier of ethereal depending on situqation. AFAIK, it's a game constant.

Thanks for review.

GuardiANgel · 07-28-2009, 07:01 AM

Well, imo Ghost Scepter was created as a situational item and it should remain as it is.

Ethereal Scepter is the new Aghanim's Scepter on steroids for the AOE team-rapers (ES, SK, Enigma, CM, Levi, etc.).

44% damage amplification is HUGE and that's why is current present (with offensive purposes) only with Pugna's Decrip (single target).

Sure, the risk is high, but it's... meah...

doomsheep · 07-28-2009, 07:03 AM

i dont really get the ghost scepter yet and i dont have much of an opinion about this either. null.

Cp6uja · 07-28-2009, 07:07 AM

Is this only AoE Ghost scepter? Nothing new or unique as you've said at first post. . .

Whitefang · 07-28-2009, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by GuardiANgel

Well, imo Ghost Scepter was created as a situational item and it should remain as it is.

Ethereal Scepter is the new Aghanim's Scepter on steroids for the AOE team-rapers (ES, SK, Enigma, CM, Levi, etc.).

44% damage amplification is HUGE and that's why is current present (with offensive purposes) only with Pugna's Decrip (single target).

Sure, the risk is high, but it's... meah...

That is why this item is unique. You will get many different gameplay with it. To gank, retreat, amplifies magic damage, save yourself and allies from physical harm..etc.

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Originally Posted by Cp6uja_

Is this only AoE Ghost scepter? Nothing new or unique as you've said at first post. . .

Because of the ingredient is a Ghost Scepter, that is why I intend to keep this ability so people that bought Ghost Scepter won't loose its effect if they make this item. Sorry about this double post.

(Use edit button next time. Merged!)
Cp6uja.

chadpiety123 · 07-28-2009, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Whitefang

I'm not sure about heals and buff but it I think it only amplifies 44% magic damage.

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Thanks for review.

It's not even a review yet.

With regards to heals, they are amplified by 44% when the heal type is magical (negative magical damage type). I just don't know the specifics regarding the heal types in DotA.

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As for a review. I can't really say much regarding this item.

It might be too much of a double edged item to be used. And as far as the last patch is concerned, I'm seeing that Icefrog is balancing the game between hard carries and casters, and this tips that balance to another side.

EDIT: Since it also affects enemies, I'm starting to feel a little bit differently about this item. But the one thing that I hate about this suggestion is that it kills Pugna, a lot. Sorry-still a T-d

Whitefang · 07-28-2009, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by chadpiety123

It's not even a review yet.

With regards to heals, they are amplified by 44% when the heal type is magical (negative magical damage type). I just don't know the specifics regarding the heal types in DotA.

================================================== ======

As for a review. I can't really say much regarding this item.

It might be too much of a double edged item to be used. And as far as the last patch is concerned, I'm seeing that Icefrog is balancing the game between hard carries and casters, and this tips that balance to another side.

EDIT: Since it also affects enemies, I'm starting to feel a little bit differently about this item. But the one thing that I hate about this suggestion is that it kills Pugna, a lot. Sorry-still a T-d

Thanks for the full review. But Pugna's Decrepify have 50% slow effect while this item don't have.

chadpiety123 · 07-28-2009, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Whitefang

Thanks for the full review. But Pugna's Decrepify have 50% slow effect while this item don't have.

Exactly my point. It totally overshadows Pugna's Decrepify. If Pugna's Decrepify receives a remake (which I don't think will happen anytime soon) and get a better ability overall, then I might change my mind. Sorry.

dixing · 07-28-2009, 07:32 AM

I think the situational thing is what makes it so good, used wrong you can cause ur whole team to die, used right and you can turn things around (like his mortred example).
the aoe sounds logical, the recipe might be a little cheap for a game turning item but that can change.
I think its a very nice idea, thumbs up!

kanzakill · 07-28-2009, 07:45 AM

Man, I can't comment on things that I don't comprehend

Anyway, since you asked, I will try.

The overall idea: nice, at least to me

Review:
+ Manacost so low for an effect that's so strong?

+ Will nerf the carriers even more than right now
+ I think 1000g is so cheap for 400 AoE and 4 seconds.
+ Doube-edged, good! I love double-edged things

Mini suggestion:
+ How about putting on a limit of how many units it can err ... Ghostformize

? (around 4 or 5 would be good) It requires more players' skill by the way.

And by the way, if this item can't make it, you can make it a good spell man

Zack1996 · 07-28-2009, 07:48 AM

It amplifies some forms of healing too.
Also, its kinda rigged. Imagine Tormented Soul with this item. He would pwn everything.
T-Down.

Whitefang · 07-28-2009, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dixing

I think the situational thing is what makes it so good, used wrong you can cause ur whole team to die, used right and you can turn things around (like his mortred example).
the aoe sounds logical, the recipe might be a little cheap for a game turning item but that can change.
I think its a very nice idea, thumbs up!

Thanks for the review. The advantages of this barrier to allies is they can't be attack by physical damage and will not amplifies magic damage that being cast to them. The disadvantages of this barrier to allies is they can't attack but still can cast spells.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kanzakill

Man, I can't comment on things that I don't comprehend

Anyway, since you asked, I will try.

The overall idea: nice, at least to me

Review:
+ Manacost so low for an effect that's so strong?

+ Will nerf the carriers even more than right now
+ I think 1000g is so cheap for 400 AoE and 4 seconds.
+ Doube-edged, good! I love double-edged things

Mini suggestion:
+ How about putting on a limit of how many units it can err ... Ghostformize

? (around 4 or 5 would be good) It requires more players' skill by the way.

And by the way, if this item can't make it, you can make it a good spell man

I will update mana cost and scroll cost. Thanks for the review.

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Originally Posted by Zack1996

It amplifies some forms of healing too.
Also, its kinda rigged. Imagine Tormented Soul with this item. He would pwn everything.
T-Down.

That is why I created this item. It can be use in many different things and situation. Have anyone have any thought that I should increase its price or not?

OMG I'm doing this again..Sorry I will be careful next time not to double post.

(Use edit button next time. Merged!)
Cp6uja.

07-27-2009, 02:50 PM	#2
zackofanime Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 23	Re: [NEW ITEM] Ethereal Scepter This sounds like there's a huge chance you're going to screw your team over if you activate it in the wrong moment. Also, there's a possible imbalance issue since Ghost Scepter already counters so many things.

07-27-2009, 03:06 PM	#3
Cp6uja Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Serbia Posts: 19,043 Blog Entries: 3	Re: [NEW ITEM] Ethereal Scepter Items should be created in root of suggestions. Only Remakes of current ones should go to remakes. Since this is a new item, moving to root of suggestions. Moved. __________________ Increase DotA Speed Free Steam game PDIH RGC Dotalicious-Gaming Increase DotA speed for about 10 fps here. Want fast and stable DotA? Go here! Team Fortress 2 is now FREE TO DOWNLOAD! How to join is here under How to Apply/Join. League with Reconnection Tool, Stats tracking, no Leavers and multiaccounts. CLICK

07-27-2009, 03:14 PM	#4
Mfunn Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Ether Dimention Posts: 265	Re: [NEW ITEM] Ethereal Scepter making allies unable to attack in aoe sounds bad, not every hero needs melee survivability, for example tanks. and making all your allies +44% spell dmgs will just destroy any of your ally if theres a AOE spell trown at you t-down this reminds me this funny vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSIL1canO18 __________________ Mfunn- justme ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Play Hard, Go pro

07-28-2009, 05:40 AM	#6
coolers Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 86	Re: [NEW ITEM] Ethereal Scepter which colours are we using here i am colour blind and this blend has not crossed me until now intriguing.. yes

07-28-2009, 06:36 AM	#7
Siraraz Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 4,781 Blog Entries: 3	Re: [NEW ITEM] Ethereal Scepter I'm not very good at DotA Allstars itself, so I don't exactly know how this would fit into the game much. But just one thing, this would go good with Mekansm right? 250 x 1.66 = 415 HP healed 250 x 1.44 = 360 HP healed I think its by 44% or 66% (Heals on Ethereal units are higher I think). __________________

07-28-2009, 06:40 AM	#8
chadpiety123 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,663	Re: [NEW ITEM] Ethereal Scepter I doubt if it's even codable to change the modifier of ethereal depending on situqation. AFAIK, it's a game constant. __________________ Hi, I'm new here. Hope people could help me out start a new suggestion!

07-28-2009, 07:01 AM	#10
GuardiANgel Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 236	Re: [NEW ITEM] Ethereal Scepter Well, imo Ghost Scepter was created as a situational item and it should remain as it is. Ethereal Scepter is the new Aghanim's Scepter on steroids for the AOE team-rapers (ES, SK, Enigma, CM, Levi, etc.). 44% damage amplification is HUGE and that's why is current present (with offensive purposes) only with Pugna's Decrip (single target). Sure, the risk is high, but it's... meah... __________________ Unless I grip the sword, I cannot protect you. While gripping the sword, I cannot embrace you.

07-28-2009, 07:03 AM	#11
doomsheep Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,972 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [NEW ITEM] Ethereal Scepter i dont really get the ghost scepter yet and i dont have much of an opinion about this either. null.

07-28-2009, 07:07 AM	#12
Cp6uja Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Serbia Posts: 19,043 Blog Entries: 3	Re: [NEW ITEM] Ethereal Scepter Is this only AoE Ghost scepter? Nothing new or unique as you've said at first post. . . __________________ Increase DotA Speed Free Steam game PDIH RGC Dotalicious-Gaming Increase DotA speed for about 10 fps here. Want fast and stable DotA? Go here! Team Fortress 2 is now FREE TO DOWNLOAD! How to join is here under How to Apply/Join. League with Reconnection Tool, Stats tracking, no Leavers and multiaccounts. CLICK

07-28-2009, 07:32 AM	#17
dixing Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Israel Posts: 1,500 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [NEW ITEM] Ethereal Scepter I think the situational thing is what makes it so good, used wrong you can cause ur whole team to die, used right and you can turn things around (like his mortred example). the aoe sounds logical, the recipe might be a little cheap for a game turning item but that can change. I think its a very nice idea, thumbs up!

07-28-2009, 07:48 AM	#19
Zack1996 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Singapore! Posts: 1,265	Re: [NEW ITEM] Ethereal Scepter It amplifies some forms of healing too. Also, its kinda rigged. Imagine Tormented Soul with this item. He would pwn everything. T-Down.