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Old 05-23-2013, 09:11 PM   #1
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Default Best build for Mortred


It seems like PD is split in half on this subject. Half say she makes a good hard carry, the other half feels like she should play the early/mid game ganker role.

Discuss what's best.
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:13 PM   #2
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I would say that her blur skill is the perfect ganker tool
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:21 PM   #3
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Her main role is to be a hard carry lategame, with proper items and enough of farm. Current metagame encourages early-game ganging, since there`s alot of cash involved in killing enemy heroes. It would be great to have Mort farming, and assisting in kills - paired with couple of teammates supporting. Current meta does not favor long ass rice farming, but still, hard carry fits her best.
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:31 PM   #4
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Her main role is to be a hard carry lategame, with proper items and enough of farm.

She is NOT a hard carry lategame. She MAY be, but her skillset is subpar compared to other lategame monsters: Void, PL, TW (anticarry), etc etc.


She has all the ganking skills, so if you're playing a 35min creep farming PA you'll fall behind the enemy's carry. Instead, go for the 35min hero farming PA.
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:36 PM   #5
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phase/pt+MoC+Hotd and gank building bkb basher and extend into Abyssal/Satanic as luxury. Every time I see a bfury PA, I die inside a little.
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:37 PM   #6
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So very aggressive trilane and see what you can kill nya?
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:38 PM   #7
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She is NOT a hard carry lategame. She MAY be, but her skillset is subpar compared to other lategame monsters: Void, PL, TW (anticarry), etc etc.


She has all the ganking skills, so if you're playing a 35min creep farming PA you'll fall behind the enemy's carry. Instead, go for the 35min hero farming PA.
She can't do either role particularly well. Best build is generally a repick.
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:38 PM   #8
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She is NOT a hard carry lategame. She MAY be, but her skillset is subpar compared to other lategame monsters: Void, PL, TW (anticarry), etc etc.


She has all the ganking skills, so if you're playing a 35min creep farming PA you'll fall behind the enemy's carry. Instead, go for the 35min hero farming PA.
Except mortred is the second fastest battlefury farmer after AM.

You can build her 2 ways.

Phase pms oov basher bkb abyssal
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Phase pms bfury bkb abyssal

Throw in a vlads satanic etc... As situation accounts for it.

Too all the people saying she scales like Shit as a hard carry are ignorant. U get a free bugged daedelus passive evasion low cd slow u can lh woth early if need be and a 100% ias blink .

Dafuq u smoking.

Her biggest weakness is heavy disable teams and aggressive trilanes and soloing early versus heroes like clinkz who.1v1 are going to zone you away from your creeps
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:42 PM   #9
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obviously she is late game ultra carry, possibility of 3 shotting any hero if she crits...

furthermore, most people don't see her as a decent counter to PL after picking up BF, but its almost as good as tiny with ags
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farm up phase boots and basher, gank lanes, win game
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:44 PM   #11
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In a ganking oriented build of hers, would you expand in to bkb or cranium basher first? or is it completely situational.
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:47 PM   #12
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Except mortred is the second fastest battlefury farmer after AM.

You can build her 2 ways.

Phase pms oov basher bkb abyssal
Or
Phase pms bfury bkb abyssal

Throw in a vlads satanic etc... As situation accounts for it.

Too all the people saying she scales like Shit as a hard carry are ignorant. U get a free bugged daedelus passive evasion low cd slow u can lh woth early if need be and a 100% ias blink .

Dafuq u smoking.

Her biggest weakness is heavy disable teams and aggressive trilanes and soloing early versus heroes like clinkz who.1v1 are going to zone you away from your creeps
So I get a worse version of backtrack, a crit that is only slightly better than other crits, and a blink that can only target units (and can't even target magic immune ones)?

Compare that to actual hard carry abilities like a 5 second aoe disable, or creating illusions that attack every enemy hero, a huge army of illusions, or any number of aoe attack abilities.

If having a lot of single-target damage makes a hero a hard carry, then I guess Lina would be the hardest carry because she gets 5 free hyperstones right? Or OD, since he does one of the highest amounts of DPS in the game?
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Phase, Orchid, DPS
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Old 05-23-2013, 10:09 PM   #15
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It's easy to say.
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Early-mid game she can gank pretty well with cheap items like PB/MoC
Late game she transfers to the state of hard-carry,but she needs strong items to reach there.
As she buys powerfull damage items,her critical combined with cleave deals massive AoE damage.Especially,Magnus is the best ally for her:he gives her damage and cleave and she can get easily rampages if the enemy team is caught by Reverse polarity.
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Old 05-23-2013, 10:49 PM   #17
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Her main role is to be a hard carry lategame, with proper items and enough of farm. Current metagame encourages early-game ganging, since there`s alot of cash involved in killing enemy heroes. It would be great to have Mort farming, and assisting in kills - paired with couple of teammates supporting. Current meta does not favor long ass rice farming, but still, hard carry fits her best.
Good Mortred come online way earlier than late game carries like Void or Medusa. Actually a good Mortred can start making a real difference right from level 6 by ganking around the map.

This is the build i use on Mortred : http://dotabuff.com/players/10321757...atch_type=real.
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Old 05-23-2013, 11:40 PM   #18
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repick my fav item i love it

or phase / bfury / appropriate dps item for teh situation / bkb / mkb or abyssal
She's pretty straight forward
Also satanic is decent but way way overrated
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Old 05-24-2013, 12:27 AM   #19
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Good Mortred come online way earlier than late game carries like Void or Medusa. Actually a good Mortred can start making a real difference right from level 6 by ganking around the map.

This is the build i use on Mortred : http://dotabuff.com/players/10321757...atch_type=real.
That is, no offence, an awful build.


You can hard rice her with a battlefury, but she becomes pretty unimpressive once her bkb goes down to 5 seconds and she starts being kited. The hard carry build is trying to get to BKB, battlefury, Satanic, MKB, BoT, abysmal babe.

The other build is a gank heavy build that capitalizes on her early success due to 20% evasion and 100% IAS before supports start getting forcestaffs and ghost scepters and Bullshit. Its phase MoC Basher bkb and can extend to either the crazier MoM or the more conservative abysmal for anti-carry carrying.
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Defends on your enemies lineup. For me BKB, Abysmal, Satanic.
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Old 05-24-2013, 01:39 AM   #21
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Good Mortred come online way earlier than late game carries like Void or Medusa. Actually a good Mortred can start making a real difference right from level 6 by ganking around the map.

This is the build i use on Mortred : http://dotabuff.com/players/10321757...atch_type=real.
Void can come online just as quickly (treads+bfury+bkb).
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I must admit that her dagger is much scarier than any void earlygame,
good for lasthitting, harrassing and for charging wands.
Anyway i dont want to compare Void with Mortred, as both are too different.


Just wanted to say that Mort is not a hardcarry, she has a slow, thus she is a disabler.
OD kills her with 1 ulti and 1 shot, thus she is weak.

These are reasonable PD-Forum arguments.
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mid
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10 min bfury
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attack speed > damage on this hero, the blink speed only lasts for a few seconds

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OD kills her with 1 ulti and 1 shot, thus she is weak.
And PA kills OD with 1 shot too, and has better initiation
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Old 05-24-2013, 04:51 AM   #24
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To my mind PA plays more like a support character early on because she is so super squishy and item dependent. And even later she is still better as a support than anything else. She slows so a meatier character can catch up and stun, then ports in to add her damage. Or she runs in with the pack, then kills the straggling or fleeing enemies.

But on her own she tends to suffer from a lack of aoe disable and can easily run into trouble if she finds two instead of one hero.
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Old 05-24-2013, 06:03 AM   #25
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Used to BF and HoD , now is MoM and Basher
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She still is a hard carry, although a bit weaker than the likes of void and troll in the lategame, but what's good about her is that she can be a bit more active around the map once she reaches lvl 6 since a 4 second slow that's low mana cost and low cd and a blink makes quite a decent ganker.
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You have ganker alchemist, ganker Gyro in PD, why not ganker PA?
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Armlet basher and hope for procs
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Armlet basher and hope for procs
You don't need +STR if your enemies are already dead
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You don't need +STR if your enemies are already dead
I don't think you need any items at all if they are already dead.
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Jungle PA:

http://dotabuff.com/matches/197006540

Items are great for a real game too. Midas was mainly for jungling but can be useful to get to level 16 faster.

Deso Basher for stupid DPS and good outcarrying midgame.

BKB for the obvious.

Yasha cheap and useful midgame.
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I don't think you need any items at all if they are already dead.

You're funny.

You don't need an armlet if you can 2-shot people at level 14. Armlet seems like a real fad on this forum. It's like street car canards/dive planes/splitters of the dota world. feels a little try hard to me.

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Jungle PA:

http://dotabuff.com/matches/197006540

Items are great for a real game too. Midas was mainly for jungling but can be useful to get to level 16 faster.

Deso Basher for stupid DPS and good outcarrying midgame.

BKB for the obvious.

Yasha cheap and useful midgame.
Now this is the kind of build i like to see lol
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Don't be "the hard carry", you'll be dissapointed. Instead get armlet asap and gank all over the map. Snowball or lose. But I believe even on this role she is kind of inferior to some other heroes.
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Do you armlet guys have any replays for us noobs? Very high only please

I just find battlefury too good to pass up when you can reliably get it in 9-12 mins, i just rush it without even gripping boots until i have it, unless the situation calls for it.

The moment you hit 6, it's game on, if the enemy mid makes a mistake you can insta-kill them, even if they have boots and you don't.
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Good Mortred come online way earlier than late game carries like Void or Medusa. Actually a good Mortred can start making a real difference right from level 6 by ganking around the map.

This is the build i use on Mortred : http://dotabuff.com/players/10321757...atch_type=real.
My thoughts exactly. She actually can do something before level 20. Blink+spammable slow and lucky crit can do an easy kill, with proper teammate assistances.

When you have a real good game, just go and boost up her damage paired with lifeteal. He will have no trouble killing heroes in 3-4 attacks. Vlads, Phase, Deso, BkB >> later one, build whatever fits you the best.
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you want basher and possibly MoM to come online fast and proceed to snowball into monster late game carry

not BF
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I guess we can all agree that it is a versatile hero item-wise lol...and one of the most fun to play IMO. Too bad the model is so retarded looking in dota2
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Mortred is probably the hardest carry in the game besides medusa. I regularly stomp pubs with her.
Pms - phase - vlads - bkb - abyssal blade is my normal build.
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Jungle PA:

http://dotabuff.com/matches/197006540

Items are great for a real game too. Midas was mainly for jungling but can be useful to get to level 16 faster.

Deso Basher for stupid DPS and good outcarrying midgame.

BKB for the obvious.

Yasha cheap and useful midgame.
Solid build, would add an S&Y.
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Jungle pa? Wat.. How? I can't see her getting a very fast midas jungling, and it would delay your lifesteal
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