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Old 05-30-2013, 01:48 PM   #41
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Nid Ember in DOTA 2 NAO!!
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:49 PM   #42
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Oh man I can't wait for all those threads these first weeks saying heroes are too strong now and some heroes are over-nerfed, like always.

These changes are very interesting I'm curious how it will all pull off and if this meta is already gonna be used in TI3.

Also, LC in captain's mode was called, no wonder s/he is already being worked on in dota 2. And ember spirit is a surprise, now I really want him in dota 2 quick.
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:51 PM   #43
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i like play omni but in pubs u are set to 4-5 th role so this change nothing but in pro game its should be fun to see aghs rush after mek
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:52 PM   #44
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buff to aa ult? As if it wasn't good enough!
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:53 PM   #45
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"Ey void."
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"DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM"

xD
But the Razor thing is weak ...
And thanks icefork for giving dusa a viable ulti ^^
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:54 PM   #46
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no need buying forcestaff anymore just pick earth panda lol
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:54 PM   #47
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thats what i wanted, new mechanics not only with gold exp or numbers but other aspect of gameplay, necrolytes buff is so fucking original y jizzed my pants, is genious game design
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:54 PM   #48
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no need buying forcestaff anymore just pick earth panda lol
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:55 PM   #49
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BS no more Shit tier.
Axe can be more MAnly now instead of caster
Doom IS DOOM
Potm is Awesome again Skill shot more rewards
Omniknight Does not need to be nearby heroes anymore
Pugna is Back
Sk Sandstorm 1 level wonder
TB buff as Expected.
Venge slight buff am happy
WD competitive
Suicide MEta incoming . Bloodstone
Bottle CRow nerf No more ppl crying
Dagon buff


I m Loving it
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:55 PM   #50
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I might play DotA again with all of these heroes.
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:57 PM   #51
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IF actually buffed pudge, wtf
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:58 PM   #52
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PL still 4.2?!
TREANT STILL USELESS!
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:58 PM   #53
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I might play DotA again with all of these heroes.
How many are there in your current hero pool?
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:59 PM   #54
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Medusa now is huge. 50% more damage means she now doesn't needs rapier to laugh on everyone in front of her. Too bad Mjolinir's Medusa is totally not-viable now, but Armlet+Orchid medusa new meta.
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:59 PM   #55
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Agh Doom. best doom. troll doom.
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:04 PM   #56
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Doom is now run, or die, or die, or run, Gah! My head hurts!
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:06 PM   #57
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:08 PM   #58
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the pudge change was absolutely not needed and will not affect competitive play anyway.

pudge was fine for pubs and now gets even more annoying if the pudge player is slightly better than the enemy hes facing and therefore does snowball even harder than before. not needed and only annoying.
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:08 PM   #59
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Some very elegant changes, but some of them are just meh.
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:09 PM   #60
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Not happy with the patch. Too many buffs, heck in my opinion, the first picks/bans should have been slightly nerfed and other heroes be slightly buffed than go overdose on the buffs.
I particularly hate the huskar buff the most, why the heck are you making it easy for retards?
But time will tell.
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:09 PM   #61
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troll was nerfed hard instead of magnus, fun stealer, phantom cancer. fucking icefraud...
Lifestealer got hit a little, PL and Mag were just tickled (yes including Bottle Crow)

Troll needed that nerf. A dozen other heroes needed nerfs on Trolls level. But instead we boldly go where no Dota map has gone before, to explore new overbuffed heroes and strange levels of power creep
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:11 PM   #62
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Deserves a thread.
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:12 PM   #63
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Doom is more trolltastic actually.
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:12 PM   #64
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Changes I found worth noticing:

tower bounty the same for everyone:
i like this. promotes more a team feeling instead of "just get this guy as much farm as possible."

huskar:
since i'm one of the few people that level up burning spears past level one, this is a buff to that play style. losing damage from bb hurt, but the increased magic resist is interesting. it might be possible to skip bkb if they can't stun you for longer than 6s and go straight heart.

blood seeker:
dont like the hero and dont think the buffs do anything. if anything, he needed the magic resist buff more than huskar. the dispeling via blood rage is interesting but i feel it won't do much.

crystal maiden:
nothing to see here. just another mana regen and ult buff. i still think her mana regen skill is pretty bad nowadays.

dazzle:
just another random positive skill that goes through bkb

dragon knight:
level 2 dragon form is worth leveling now.

shredder:
Love this hero and these buffs might push him over the edge. going these buffs as long as i can.

necro:
this aghs buff is stupid and i love it.

pugna:
my favorite little skeleton pushes towers even harder.

razor:
still dont like unstable current or his ult

skeleton king:
wow, he doesn't have the depth of a puddle anymore. what a random spell though.

troll warlord:
gonna keep abusing this

ursa:
that buff is crazy. you used to be able to at least juke him to reset his counter. now if you're melee against him, he can tap you anytime to zone for 16s. i feel sorry for anybody who has to lane against that.

i also like that nulls talisman buff. better for str casters who wants a good mana boost. i also like decreasing the xp to get to level 11.

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Old 05-30-2013, 02:12 PM   #65
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dude, that necro ulti thing is fapfapfpafpafap
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:13 PM   #66
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silencer and naga new meta TI3
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:14 PM   #67
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Excellent patch with many creative and good changes, can't wait to see how TI3 will unfold now. Great work Icefrog!
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:14 PM   #68
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troll was nerfed hard instead of magnus, fun stealer, phantom cancer. fucking icefraud...
Because he's ulty was totally retarded. God jesus I'm glad nerfed that shit. Not that he was -OP- but just completely broken. Triple hyperstones for entire team anywhere for half the total duration of the match.
What IF should've also done is to buff him in some other way like the shitty passive.

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All in all, a good patch by IF with no overnerfs and not too many overbuffs to unneeded heroes.
Also dat necro ulty.
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:14 PM   #69
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razor now gets 85 lightning strikes with agh's ult.
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:17 PM   #70
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I'd rather watch out for that machinegun morphling.
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:18 PM   #71
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Looks like it will be an interesting version, I like most of the changes, nothing where I really thought that's over the top. (haven't checked out the new heroes though)
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:20 PM   #72
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Yall forget that Echoslam now counts illusions as heroes.
in dota 2 it always did. though it was a surprisingly unknown bug report
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=81485
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Mortred still as shit, no buffs. Coup de Graše needs some change.

POTM I like Arrow concept; but it should be something like 100/150/200/250 damage for lowest range and 200/300/400/500 for highest range which rewards skill.

Not enough Armlet, BKB nerf.

Also Doom will be the next cancer.
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bottle crowing can still be somewhat abused by leaving 1 charge in the bottle...
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:23 PM   #75
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not seeing it op. im gonna need to see it in practice first.
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:23 PM   #76
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troll was nerfed hard instead of magnus, fun stealer, phantom cancer. fucking icefraud...
Those 3 were nerfed aswell, did you actually read the changelog?
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Underwhelming PL nerfs
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PD pros are in rage now:

- Armlet Bear is intended, it doesn't get the bonus str so it shouldn't have the degen. *walloftext*


- Jugg should attack the tombstone before he omnislash, noob.


- SK IS THE MAN THAT CAN ONLY HAVE 1 ACTIVE, I WILL FLAME ANY SUGGESTION THAT GIVE HIM ANOTHER ACTIVE SKILL.



- Backdoor is fine and balanced, why buff it?!! Just get a TP which cost you 135g, Go back to LOL noobs.




Here is my favorite in 6.78:
- Open Wounds cast range decreased from 600 to 200/300/400/500 (best hero change in 6.78!)
- Kaolin, the Earth Spirit
- Magic Immunity now has a 6th level of decrease
- XP reduction for level 11 and 12.
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bottle crowing can still be somewhat abused by leaving 1 charge in the bottle...
That is still a nerf to bottlecrowing, no matter how one looks at it. And I'm cool with it. The concept stays, but it's not as effective. Getting a rune will again spell a significant advantage.
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:32 PM   #80
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I really like the changelog.

People complaining "too many buffs, not enough nerfs" fuck that noise. If you want a game with nothing impactful and everything getting nerfed go play league of legends. In dota heroes are actual heroes.

For my reaction there were a few changes that really caught my eye:

AA aga upgrade going to 17 seconds without healing and the shatter - could he be returning to mid?

The bottle/courier change - WOW. Will this mean that teams will need to run multiple couriers if they have a bottle/crow dependent mid laner like dk?

Naix losing that open wounds cast range makes him a lot less of a threat. He still is incredibly annoying, but he's going to need much more hard disables in lane with him. He isn't an always justifiable pick.

Mag's change was good too. He maybe could have used a bit more. I'd rather see them hit his base armor. However, with the bottle/crow change too he'll certainly be reeling.

Omni's aga upgrade looks strong. However, he is omni. How can he farm that? Can he farm that?

Also, ES seems like he can deal with PL again, finally. About time the king of anti-push takes back his throne
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