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Old 08-13-2013, 03:30 PM   #1
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"Is actually DEFENSE OF THE ANCIENTS, not EXTERMINATION OF THE ENEMY. Everyone wants to demolish the enemy ancient instead of slaying as many heroes as you can"

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Old 08-13-2013, 03:36 PM   #2
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Great quote.

The game is also not called "Acquisition of the Rares," or "Elongation of the E-Peen."
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Old 08-13-2013, 03:40 PM   #3
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it pubs people just camp at spawn to get kills dont care for base
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Old 08-13-2013, 03:45 PM   #4
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I know, that is why I always stand and protect the ancient camp. (has this joke been used before?)
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Old 08-13-2013, 03:49 PM   #5
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Agreed.Your ancient must prevail,the way to do that is for you to decide

It's also defence of your sanity,since you lose all home for humanity ,and rely on 4 random strangers while your consciense balances around wanting to kill them or just quit the match.
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Old 08-13-2013, 03:54 PM   #6
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Not a fan of rat doto
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Old 08-13-2013, 03:55 PM   #7
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Killing enemy heroes is a tool helping you destroy the enemy ancient, which is the actual objective of the whole game. Although DotA keeps being modified to encourage early and mid game engagement to make it exciting to watch, the basic rule never changes. As it is written even in the title of the game, whoever ignores the rule deserves a defeat.
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Old 08-13-2013, 03:56 PM   #8
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Agreed.Your ancient must prevail,the way to do that is for you to decide
The fact is that killing the enemy helps in your goal - you receive more gold, and it gives you time to attack their base while they cannot defend at full strength. The problem arises when players focus only on kills and use the time to farm instead of push.
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Old 08-13-2013, 03:59 PM   #9
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The fact is that killing the enemy helps in your goal - you receive more gold, and it gives you time to attack their base while they cannot defend at full strength. The problem arises when players focus only on kills and use the time to farm instead of push.
Agreed with this.But if the enemy just doesnt need to kill you,and goes straight for base and you do nothing about it,how is this not being outplayed,but it's "rat" dota instead?
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:10 PM   #10
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wtf is rat dota?
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:11 PM   #11
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wtf is rat dota?
Split-pushing.
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:15 PM   #12
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Agreed with this.But if the enemy just doesnt need to kill you,and goes straight for base and you do nothing about it,how is this not being outplayed,but it's "rat" dota instead?
Much of the answer to this depends on the context of the game. If you're talking about an All Pick pub game and you're run over by a team including NP and KOTL, there isn't much you can do because the solution is in the hero picks. Chances are if you're losing to that you have too many farm-dependant heroes or poor pushers.

If this is happening in CM, draft better for reasons stated above.
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:21 PM   #13
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Noone questions if it's legitimate or allowed to "rat-dota". The only problem is that it isn't fun to watch. And competitive dota also is an entertainment industry.
But aside from that - even in (european) football there are teams that play unattractive 9-man-in-the-defense style and win the Champions League - everyone complains about the asthetics, but noone questions the legitimacy or effectiveness.
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:23 PM   #14
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Split-pushing.
so we not allowed to push?
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:24 PM   #15
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so we not allowed to push?
You are. It's just "anti-fun" for some people.
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:24 PM   #16
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Still, no matter how hard I try to like this kind of strategy, I always think of it as "Desperate Moves". I know it's dumb of me but I've been trying to change my perception because it's a Legit Strategy but I just can't. I've won some games because our captain planned Rat Doto but still, I don't like it.
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dota its not rat people are rats!
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:26 PM   #18
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so we not allowed to push?
It's just people moaning because accomplishing the goal of the game is too taxing for them to handle/understand.
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:32 PM   #19
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Rat Doto best Doto! I love base races <3
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:37 PM   #20
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Banning split-push is stupid.

Buffing glyph and anti-backdoor are reasonable enough.

Another alternative could be TP scroll tweaking.
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:42 PM   #21
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Banning split-push is stupid.

Buffing glyph and anti-backdoor are reasonable enough.

Another alternative could be TP scroll tweaking.
allow 5 man TPs. no more 30 sec to go to tower
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:50 PM   #22
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Dota (2) means nothing. Just 4 random letters next to eachother.

Doto means even less.

Get your facts right.
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:53 PM   #23
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its incredibly boring to watch

Artstyle bring back the early push era, please.
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Dota (2) means nothing. Just 4 random letters next to eachother.

Doto means even less.

Get your facts right.
The goal of the game remained unchanged, however.
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The goal of the game remained unchanged, however.
You could call it Destruction of the Ancients, it'd be the same game.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:18 PM   #26
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Dota (2) means nothing. Just 4 random letters next to eachother.

Doto means even less.

Get your facts right.
yea i know, but the tactic's name is "rat doto"
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:18 PM   #27
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Split pushing is stupid. Too many strong escape mechanisms in the game.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:34 PM   #28
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Split pushing is stupid. Too many strong escape mechanisms in the game.
You mad cause you can't catch a mobile hero with your Wife Stealer?
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:40 PM   #29
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It brought a massive plague amongst butthurt navi fanboys.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:42 PM   #30
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I think we can all agree that rat doto is a no skill bullshit strategy that will kill the game. I am hoping that it gets replaced with another no skill bullshit strategy that will kill the game rather quickly.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:51 PM   #31
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Maybe TP's should be cheaper or have a lower cooldown? Of course that would just make the game go even longer, but maybe it will work...
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I think we can all agree that rat doto is a no skill bullshit strategy that will kill the game. I am hoping that it gets replaced with another no skill bullshit strategy that will kill the game rather quickly.
So in your opinion the only thing to do when the enemy has more gold/xp is to sit in your base and hope for a miracle?
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:58 PM   #33
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So in your opinion the only thing to do when the enemy has more gold/xp is to sit in your base and hope for a miracle?
No. They should gg and disband immediately after the match.
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Old 08-13-2013, 06:04 PM   #34
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so iow alliance is the best team because they can be united in the strategies that they perform. akke could've said screw that, i can't defend, i'm just a crystal maiden, but no, he went back to back up puck according to the plan. everyone on the team has to agree to a plan whether they like it or not, and tbh if there are certain strategies you don't like in the game, you should probably either learn to like them or change games.

s4 could've picked a hero he would've dominated mid solo lane with, but instead he sacrificed winning solo mid for the late game advantage that puck's ultimate gives them. was it worth it? i would think so, since they won with it. maybe they could've won more decisively another way, but this way worked out just fine. another way to look at it is this, they draft a hero that dendi can't use against them, and as a result they're stuck with the fact that templar assassin dendi will outperform s4 puck early game. if navi can't capitalize on that advantage, why're you angry with alliance? you should be angry with navi if anyone.

when i play public games sometimes it can be hard to win just because you want to do one strategy or another and it doesn't work just because someone doesn't like it, doesn't matter what the strategy is, they'll call it something derogatory like they call split pushing dirty rat gaming. instead of praising navi for doing strategies you think are exciting, why not look at the winners of the games and praise them? no matter what team it is? no matter what strategy they used, it for whatever reasons outdid the strategy of their opponents.

calling a team you dirty rats just because you don't like split pushing? how immature can you get?
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Old 08-13-2013, 06:07 PM   #35
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People don't like to pick the Choo-choo Pain train.
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Maybe TP's should be cheaper or have a lower cooldown? Of course that would just make the game go even longer, but maybe it will work...
I think that bullshit thing, which makes you TP slower, when a teammate is nearby, should be removed instantly. That shit never made sense for me.
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Old 08-13-2013, 06:16 PM   #37
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I think that bullshit thing, which makes you TP slower, when a teammate is nearby, should be removed instantly. That shit never made sense for me.
nah, that's not it, it's just an extension of channeling for the tp scroll when someone is also teleporting to that general area. iow the first teleport is unaffected, it's subsequent teleports at about the same time that will be delayed a bit. this is in order to prevent players from too easily biting off more than they can chew, still giving them time to back off without being overrun instantly by an entire team.
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Old 08-13-2013, 06:24 PM   #38
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So in your opinion the only thing to do when the enemy has more gold/xp is to sit in your base and hope for a miracle?
Hell Yes!!
Cause i believe in miracles
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Rat doto is just like deathballing, early pushing and ricing/turtleing whatever. It takes no skill and is destroying the game just until something else comes along takes no skill destroys the game so we can meet up here again.
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I think that bullshit thing, which makes you TP slower, when a teammate is nearby, should be removed instantly. That shit never made sense for me.
Ever heard about the times when ganking/tower diving was impossible due to the fact that the enemy could just tp all at once on top of your sorry ass?
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i can assure you guys, if Alliance didn't screw up their tower dives and came even in any of their lanes, they wouldn't have resorted to "rat dota." they didn't pick ck + wisp, cm, and puck, just to push towers and twidle their thumbs. there are better carries and supports that can push harder. and since when is picking your battles considered rat dota? since when is 20 kills in 10minutes an example of a rat dota game? since when is using all your smokes 15min in an example of rat dota? Alliance fought a lot. you navi fans are disgusting.
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