[SPELL] Deafening Blast

Nightguest · 07-31-2009, 01:51 AM

Old spell:

Deafening Blast

Skill invokes if Kael has 1 Quas, 1 Wex and 1 Exort instances. Invoker unleashes a mighty sonic wave in front of him, dealing up to 280 damage to any enemy unit it collides with based on Exort. The sheer impact from the blast is enough to knock those enemy units back for a maximum of 1.75 seconds based on Quas, in addition to preventing their attacks for a further 1-4 seconds based on Wex.

New spell (changes in red):

Deafening Blast

Skill invokes if Kael has 1 Quas, 1 Wex and 1 Exort instances. Invoker unleashes a mighty sonic wave in front of him, dealing up to 280 damage to any enemy unit it collides with based on Exort. The sheer impact from the blast is enough to knock those enemy units back for a maximum of 1.75 seconds based on Wex, in addition to preventing their attacks for a further 1-4 seconds based on Quas.

Explanation:

Quas is the disabling element so it makes sense the disable to depend on it.
The change will also help Invokers who want to use Meteor + Blast combo because longer knockback means better dmg from meteor. Meteor needs Exort and Wex but the knockback currently needs Quas

Zirath · 07-31-2009, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightguest

Edit: Sorry for the thread name! How do I change it?

Press edit and then go advanced.

Decent remake. It does make sense as Quas disables in all of his spells. I'm not sure why it was the other way to behing with.

Zack1996 · 07-31-2009, 09:09 AM

Makes sense. T-Up!

Pengwyn · 07-31-2009, 10:36 AM

t-up makes alot of sense

Nightguest · 07-31-2009, 01:14 PM

10x for the T-Ups

KenpachiSlardar · 07-31-2009, 01:55 PM

thumbs up

p811025 · 07-31-2009, 03:47 PM

Why not, t-up.

Nightguest · 07-31-2009, 10:40 PM

Just think about it - Quas is improving the slow of the Ice Wall and Ghost Walk, the stun of Cold Snap, the duration of the Cyclone's disable and the -armor of Forged Spirits (due to mana). Why it's not improving the disable of Deafening Blast?

Wilco- · 07-31-2009, 11:06 PM

I'm not much of an Invoker player, but you make a good argument. Since Quas is the disabling reagent for most of the other abilities, you may as well be consistent.

Redeemed A.I. · 08-01-2009, 12:26 AM

I don't know if I should laugh or get angry,because I like someone posting same things as I suggest for Invoker,though I would also like to see my name mentioned (see balance debates).

So if you didn't steal it,then I give a t-up for obvious reasson..

Nightguest · 08-01-2009, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasad

I don't know if I should laugh or get angry,because I like someone posting same things as I suggest for Invoker,though I would also like to see my name mentioned (see balance debates).

So if you didn't steal it,then I give a t-up for obvious reasson..

Sorry about this! I didn't know you posted the same thing.

EricJLima · 08-01-2009, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasad

I don't know if I should laugh or get angry,because I like someone posting same things as I suggest for Invoker,though I would also like to see my name mentioned (see balance debates).

So if you didn't steal it,then I give a t-up for obvious reasson..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightguest

Sorry about this! I didn't know you posted the same thing.

Yes, I also thought you got the idea from Kasad when I first saw this thread.

It might help to add a bit more damage output to DB as well. This move is Invokers only real nuke; all of his other abilities takes time to deal damage so it could help to increase the dmg. Not by a lot but just a small increase.

Redeemed A.I. · 08-01-2009, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricJLima

Yes, I also thought you got the idea from Kasad when I first saw this thread.

It might help to add a bit more damage output to DB as well. This move is Invokers only real nuke; all of his other abilities takes time to deal damage so it could help to increase the dmg. Not by a lot but just a small increase.

It's ok,I don't hold grudge for anyone playing my fav hero

Deafening blast:
- damage: 40 / 80 / 120 / 160 / 200 / 240 / 280

If that's the damage it should deal in level 13 with full Exort,then I am dissapointed as well

At least give it a better initial and final damage.Even tornado ~~deals~~ was buffed to 120 early damage ~_~

Nightguest · 08-01-2009, 06:59 PM

DB is not meant to deal tons of dmg. I think it's fine as it is (in terms of dmg)

_Blazechicken_ · 08-02-2009, 04:01 AM

Make sense. T-up

EricJLima · 08-02-2009, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightguest

DB is not meant to deal tons of dmg. I think it's fine as it is (in terms of dmg)

I feel that DB should be a move that equally uses q,w and e since it is all three powers combined. q and w on DB seems to be more useful than the e, I think.

Hero Hunter · 08-02-2009, 11:40 PM

T-up for me. It would increase the power of Exort + Wex build.

Devonrex · 08-03-2009, 11:43 AM

tup +1

Nuro · 08-03-2009, 01:27 PM

both the q and w part of defining blast work as disables. Actually, having q as a push back is more of a disable than w because it prevents enemies from doing anything while wex only prevents them from normal attacking.

And the we build wont benefit from the push back of defening blast. the meteor goes on for a long long way and defining blast hardly pushses them. If anything they might get hit more by the meteor but it certainly doesnt matter because its they wont be running in the meteor for any longer than its lvl 1 wex. IMO, the wex benefit from meteor hardly does anything.

sure it could work in the game but the real question is will ice frog actually care enough to change it?

desOo · 08-04-2009, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zack1996

Makes sense. T-Up!

^This.

07-31-2009, 01:51 AM	#1
Nightguest Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 233	[SPELL] Deafening Blast Old spell: Deafening Blast Skill invokes if Kael has 1 Quas, 1 Wex and 1 Exort instances. Invoker unleashes a mighty sonic wave in front of him, dealing up to 280 damage to any enemy unit it collides with based on Exort. The sheer impact from the blast is enough to knock those enemy units back for a maximum of 1.75 seconds based on Quas, in addition to preventing their attacks for a further 1-4 seconds based on Wex. New spell (changes in red): Deafening Blast Skill invokes if Kael has 1 Quas, 1 Wex and 1 Exort instances. Invoker unleashes a mighty sonic wave in front of him, dealing up to 280 damage to any enemy unit it collides with based on Exort. The sheer impact from the blast is enough to knock those enemy units back for a maximum of 1.75 seconds based on Wex, in addition to preventing their attacks for a further 1-4 seconds based on Quas. Explanation: Quas is the disabling element so it makes sense the disable to depend on it. The change will also help Invokers who want to use Meteor + Blast combo because longer knockback means better dmg from meteor. Meteor needs Exort and Wex but the knockback currently needs Quas __________________ Enter the realm, don't stay awake! The dreams remain, they only break! Remake \| Guide

Last edited by Nightguest; 07-31-2009 at 11:44 AM.

07-31-2009, 09:09 AM	#3
Zack1996 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Singapore! Posts: 1,255	Re: [SPELL] Deafeing Makes sense. T-Up!

07-31-2009, 10:36 AM	#4
Pengwyn Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 634	Re: [SPELL] Deafeing t-up makes alot of sense __________________

07-31-2009, 01:14 PM	#5
Nightguest Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 233	Re: [SPELL] Deafening Blast 10x for the T-Ups __________________ Enter the realm, don't stay awake! The dreams remain, they only break! Remake \| Guide

07-31-2009, 01:55 PM	#6
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07-31-2009, 03:47 PM	#7
p811025 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: can u find me? Posts: 158	Re: [SPELL] Deafening Blast Why not, t-up. __________________ Think Silencer need change? Look at this. Hand of Midas + Sacred Relic = Radiance!!!! Think Na's mana burn kills mages too fast? Bane is the weakest hero ever in Dota, click here to see why. "For every action, there is an equal, opposite reaction."

07-31-2009, 10:40 PM	#8
Nightguest Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 233	Re: [SPELL] Deafening Blast Just think about it - Quas is improving the slow of the Ice Wall and Ghost Walk, the stun of Cold Snap, the duration of the Cyclone's disable and the -armor of Forged Spirits (due to mana). Why it's not improving the disable of Deafening Blast? __________________ Enter the realm, don't stay awake! The dreams remain, they only break! Remake \| Guide

Last edited by Nightguest; 07-31-2009 at 11:48 PM.

08-01-2009, 12:26 AM	#10
Redeemed A.I. Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Greece.Μακεδονία Posts: 7,810	Re: [SPELL] Deafening Blast I don't know if I should laugh or get angry,because I like someone posting same things as I suggest for Invoker,though I would also like to see my name mentioned (see balance debates). So if you didn't steal it,then I give a t-up for obvious reasson.. __________________ Rebalance techies' hit attack Wex levels meteor impact delay instead of range.

08-01-2009, 06:59 PM	#14
Nightguest Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 233	Re: [SPELL] Deafening Blast DB is not meant to deal tons of dmg. I think it's fine as it is (in terms of dmg) __________________ Enter the realm, don't stay awake! The dreams remain, they only break! Remake \| Guide

08-02-2009, 04:01 AM	#15
_Blazechicken_ Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 158	Re: [SPELL] Deafening Blast Make sense. T-up

08-02-2009, 11:40 PM	#17
Hero Hunter Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 946	Re: [SPELL] Deafening Blast T-up for me. It would increase the power of Exort + Wex build.

08-03-2009, 11:43 AM	#18
Devonrex Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 196	Re: [SPELL] Deafening Blast tup +1 __________________

08-03-2009, 01:27 PM	#19
Nuro Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 24	Re: [SPELL] Deafening Blast both the q and w part of defining blast work as disables. Actually, having q as a push back is more of a disable than w because it prevents enemies from doing anything while wex only prevents them from normal attacking. And the we build wont benefit from the push back of defening blast. the meteor goes on for a long long way and defining blast hardly pushses them. If anything they might get hit more by the meteor but it certainly doesnt matter because its they wont be running in the meteor for any longer than its lvl 1 wex. IMO, the wex benefit from meteor hardly does anything. sure it could work in the game but the real question is will ice frog actually care enough to change it?