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Old 09-26-2013, 03:16 PM   #1
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Stupid and dumb whine thread.

I notice that in most pub AP games, I end up playing support. I would really like to get some practice in with some other heroes. Am I supposed to just pick whatever I want and not care? When I do that, people just yell at me and report me. How am I supposed to practice these heroes?

Yes, I feel super bad about myself when I don't pick support
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:20 PM   #2
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Stupid and dumb whine thread.

I notice that in most pub AP games, I end up playing support. I would really like to get some practice in with some other heroes. Am I supposed to just pick whatever I want and not care? When I do that, people just yell at me and report me. How am I supposed to practice these heroes?

Yes, I feel super bad about myself when I don't pick support
i suffered from this for a long time. best bet is to find a friend who is a halfway decent carry who you enjoy supporting. that way you can get some practice and move up to high bracket where people know how to pick
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:21 PM   #3
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:24 PM   #4
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AP is a joke mode, anyone who goes there should be prepared for a terrible time. What I am trying to say is, fuck them, play whatever you want. However, you might get more quality practice if you play with proper team mates ie your friends. But if you just need a general graps of the hero, go wild in AP.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:34 PM   #5
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The point of all pick is to pick whatever you want
If you allies want a balanced team tell them to go CM
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:46 PM   #6
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AP is a joke mode, anyone who goes there should be prepared for a terrible time. What I am trying to say is, fuck them, play whatever you want. However, you might get more quality practice if you play with proper team mates ie your friends. But if you just need a general graps of the hero, go wild in AP.
My friends all play League of Legends

But I guess I'll just pick whatever I want.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:52 PM   #7
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Pick first.. Then chat "support plz" If you're in a good skill bracket you might get one player to endure your suffering.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:52 PM   #8
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I'm currently doing support [insert not a support hero here]. Else there would be no courier, or worse wards, in the team. I lose most of these games to no one's surprise.
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Old 09-26-2013, 04:07 PM   #9
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Pick first.. Then chat "support plz" If you're in a good skill bracket you might get one player to endure your suffering.
This.

And it ended that the one who haven't picked yet will pick supports.
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Old 09-26-2013, 04:27 PM   #10
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http://dotabuff.com/matches/323425497

That didn't go so badly!
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Old 09-26-2013, 04:47 PM   #11
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Start instant locking w/e you want to play and then say where you are going, ignore your team and play. If you pick fast your teammates will at least have time to adapt. If you pick late you should obviously try to adapt, else whole game may end fast.
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Old 09-26-2013, 04:58 PM   #12
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Start instant locking w/e you want to play and then say where you are going, ignore your team and play. If you pick fast your teammates will at least have time to adapt. If you pick late you should obviously try to adapt, else whole game may end fast.
Instapicking is a really bad idea because then the enemy team will then proceed to counterpick the living hell out of you.

But meh, just playing a game where one player decided to pick Anti-Mage after Naix and Invoker were picked and then proceeded to whine about having no farm.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:00 PM   #13
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Insta-pick Disruptor, they won't even have to counterpick to counterpick you.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:02 PM   #14
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try playing with bots
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:16 PM   #15
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I notice that in most pub AP games, I end up playing support. I would really like to get some practice in with some other heroes. Am I supposed to just pick whatever I want and not care? When I do that, people just yell at me and report me. How am I supposed to practice these heroes?
Heh. I am usually last-picking supports too.
But.. if for some odd reason there is a non-support hero that fits well into our lineup, aaand counters a part of enemy heroes, I go for it.

P.S. Occasionally (in ~ 15% of game) I just -random. But only if at least 2 heroes are picked by team already. Non carry heroes.
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:09 PM   #16
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Instapicking is a really bad idea because then the enemy team will then proceed to counterpick the living hell out of you.
Depends. I have been counterpicked, then enemies proceed to play their heroes badly and buy the wrong items while my team got useful items. There are times when my team counterpicks correctly, but everyone is scattered and farming even though they're not hard carry material, resulting in my team getting ganked.

Nowadays, I find that measuring the deathball team damage output is by far the most reliable method to gauge winning chances. If my team doesn't deal enough damage, I pick accordingly. Instapicking still works if your hero deals enough damage and fast enough.
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:18 PM   #17
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Just pick what you want and try to be fast.
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:18 PM   #18
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Play -sd or -rd.
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:34 PM   #19
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http://dotabuff.com/matches/323425497

That didn't go so badly!
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:19 PM   #20
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put your profile on public or i cant even take you seriously
Your first reply was missing the point of the thread completely, making it a total waste of internet space, then you proceed to mock the OP for his choices in your second.



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Old 09-26-2013, 08:28 PM   #21
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I just don't play AP anymore, it is not fun, it's not serious it just bores me to death seem the same 9 to 16 hero faces all the time.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:28 PM   #22
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i suffered from this for a long time. best bet is to find a friend who is a halfway decent carry who you enjoy supporting. that way you can get some practice and move up to high bracket where people know how to pick
link me your dotabuff please
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:32 PM   #23
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put your profile on public or i cant even take you seriously
Sefam, no?
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:58 PM   #24
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Sefam, no?
I don't understand what's going on with my signature. I'm able to access my match history on Dotabuff without being logged in, and share match history is on. Everybody else who has that signature from getdotastats is having the same issue.
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:30 PM   #25
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I don't understand what's going on with my signature. I'm able to access my match history on Dotabuff without being logged in, and share match history is on. Everybody else who has that signature from getdotastats is having the same issue.
it was just working a few minuets ago. i remember looking at it
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:40 PM   #26
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SD is the best mode. AP sucks unless you really really really want to play a specific hero.
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:42 PM   #27
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play with a friend
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:40 PM   #28
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Why would you not just random in AP mode?
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:05 PM   #29
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SD is the best mode. AP sucks unless you really really really want to play a specific hero.
Are the people in SD more skilled than AP? Ive never played SD
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Old 09-27-2013, 12:01 AM   #30
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put your profile on public or i cant even take you seriously
While I do agree with this, the idea that everyone should share stats... the following reply has it all.

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Your first reply was missing the point of the thread completely, making it a total waste of internet space, then you proceed to mock the OP for his choices in your second.



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Yeaaaah. Agreed with Humletz, your argument's are just kind of out there. All Pick is still a legitimate mode too, there's no reason to not try when in all pick. If you want to not try, play against bots.
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Old 09-27-2013, 01:39 AM   #31
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Stupid and dumb whine thread.

I notice that in most pub AP games, I end up playing support. I would really like to get some practice in with some other heroes. Am I supposed to just pick whatever I want and not care? When I do that, people just yell at me and report me. How am I supposed to practice these heroes?

Yes, I feel super bad about myself when I don't pick support
When you say "Stupid and dumb whine thread" that doesnt automatically make it okay that you just made a stupid and dumb whine thread
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Old 09-27-2013, 06:09 AM   #32
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I only play Omniknight, so I always support. I don't really care either.
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Old 09-27-2013, 04:51 PM   #33
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I only play Omniknight, so I always support. I don't really care either.
But Omniknight's a beast of a support so that's a bad comparison -.- especially if you play him well.
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Old 09-28-2013, 06:10 AM   #34
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If I don't pick support, no one else usually will.

Then there are those times when someone else picks a support, but insists on building it as a carry (Lich/Lina I'm looking at you) whist demanding I buy all the wards and the courier as Skeleton King/Chaos Knight

It's much better when I play with friends. Supporting them is actually fun and they'll even let me play other roles from time to time.
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Old 09-29-2013, 04:43 AM   #35
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Trend I notice: Whenever I pick a carry, nobody buys courier and nobody picks support.

Essentially everyone picks a carry, and then when you pick support and have no farm, people get mad at you.

Why would you even pick support?

The best way to play is to pick Spirit Breaker, Slark, Weaver, Bounty Hunter, and Rikimaru every game.
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Old 09-29-2013, 08:46 AM   #36
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Do what most do in all pick, instalock whichever hero your favourite pro player played recently, follow his build to the letter (regardless of you not being pro/different composition/gamestyle etc) and feed.
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:32 AM   #37
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Dont play all pick, play single draft - the best mode ever.
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:43 AM   #38
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Are the people in SD more skilled than AP? Ive never played SD
From personal experience, I'd say people consider the team picks more.
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Old 09-29-2013, 06:11 PM   #39
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From personal experience, I'd say people consider the team picks more.
That's a misconception resulting from a logical fallacy:

Players in All Pick don't care about team picks.
Single Draft gives everyone 3 heroes to choose from.
Players in Single Draft care about team picks.

The truth is, just as many players in SD don't give a damn and just pick their de-facto carry and expect people to pick a support in SD. The only difference is that it isn't all pick, so your options are severely limited. Bad Player's don't really change in between game modes, their options do. Good Players change between game modes to fit the game mode.
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Old 09-29-2013, 06:17 PM   #40
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Dont play all pick, play single draft - the best mode ever.
Not quite. Since you can't swap, players would just pick the heroes they're most comfortable with (disregarding synergy).
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