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Old 07-31-2009, 11:38 AM   #1
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Anub'seran - The Nerubian Weaver



foreword
The purpose of this guide is to show what role Anub'seran fits best given his skill set.


Information about this hero skills and stats can be found here.

skill progression

lvl 1 Shukuchi
lvl 2 Geminate Attack
lvl 3 Urna Swarm
lvl 4 Urna Swarm
lvl 5 Shukuchi
lvl 6 Time Lapse
lvl 7 Shukuchi
lvl 8 Shukuchi
lvl 9 Geminate Attack
lvl 10 Geminate Attack
lvl 11 Time Lapse
lvl 12 Geminate Attack
lvl 13 Urna Swarm
lvl 14 Urna Swarm
lvl 15 stats
lvl 16 Time Lapse
lvls 17-25 stats


notes
Low levels Shukuchi is picked as an escape mechanism and you get one lvl in Geminate Attack for harassing and last hitting and Urna Swarm is picked for map awareness with two bugs(one at rune spot and another in the forest... or if your team insist put and the other at the second rune spot) and harassing enemies in your line with the other two.(they do dmg and are fast so you can disrupt quite well enemies using salve or clarity and you can silence them in critical moments) After you hit lvl 6 and get Time Lapse Shukichi is maxed for better mobility and survivability... Geminate Attack next for improving your dmg and Urna Swarm should be maxed when mid game comes and gangs become more common as it gives your team some good map awareness.


early to mid game items



and if you wish you can also get this or this

but I personally don`t find them very useful coz you have your Time Lapse and when used well you should not have any regen problems considering you also got your perserverance... and runes are not so good for Weaver - better let your team mates get them.

Perserverance is your first must get item(RoH you get first from side shop) as it gives you nice hp regen and dmg for staying in your line and making some cash and when you get Void Stone the mana regen will be enough to sustain constant use of your Shukuchi skill after you lvl it up later.(and that`s very important for overall map mobility and survivability and you`ll be able to just harass enemies with your WW dmg even if not hitting them with normal attack -120dmg every 6s is not so bad...) Wraiths are picked instead of bracers for better farming and dps output when ambushing an enemy hero. TP Scrolls you should get until your first towers fall for better mobility over your bottom and top line(from one of them you can get reasonably fast to mid line with your Shukuchi skill) coz your main task from early on should be to help your team mates in defends and pushes and ganking and harassing enemy team.

Troublesome farming made easy...
Your attacks are not instant and the projectile moves at certain speed so when you use your Geminate Attack you`ll hit twice but with some delay between hits and the closer you are to your target the less the delay will be - in fact when you`re at melee range the attacks will be almost instant like you hit once with double dmg... so if and when you can last hit with Geminate Attack in very close range for better farming.(this is most useful low levels when your dmg is poor)



mid to late game items



Ah... Armlet the weapon choice of ruthless assassins... this is a must get for Weaver as it boost your EHP by a lot and also gives you nice dps output.Note that with well used Time Lapse Armlet will give around 1000hp(your ultimate can basically double any health you get) in the heat of the battle...(any time you take burst dmg you should use your ultimate and the additional health and armor from Armlet prevents you from dying really fast and just allows you to use your Time Lapse - being low health most of the time you`ll die from combos before you can use it) and the degen from it should easily be countered after battles with your Perserverance/Linkens. After you get Armlet I advice you to allocate four of your bugs - two at the ancient camps(one can patrol between roshan and the camp) and the other two at the big creep spawns in the enemy jungle(the other four should be moving with you as the silence they will provide for 12s comes very handy and it means free hitting someone without him able to use his skills on you) and any time you see someone trying to make free cash you should rush there with Shukuchi and if not killing him you should at least disrupt his farm.

ABUSING YOUR ARMLET
Sometimes in battles your health will not drop fast but more gradually so straight use of Time Lapse will be pointless... in those cases the health difference that Armlet makes will come very useful for healing yourself. Time Lapse returns your health five second back in time so all you have to do is use your Armlet more than those five seconds find a safe spot(shouldn`t be hard with your Shukuchi skill) turn off Armlet and then use Time Lapse - this will return you to the health you got with Armlet on but with the max health when it is off... so in theory it`s around 650hp heal...(500 from turning of Armlet and +5X30 from the five seconds degen from it when is on) and after using Time Lapse you can turn your Armlet on again and gain another 500hp - this is a tactic that needs some practice but when mastered it will make Armlet your monster survivability item!


In case you didn`t understand clearly how to do it here I have uploaded a rep:
Armlet Heal
In practice the heal won`t be perfect all the time and it`s percentage based I think so the less health you have the less you`ll heal.(I think when you`re at 40-70% health with Armlet on it works best)


Linken`s Sphere comes next and you should sell bottle or magic wand if got one of them(you don`t need them when game progresses and you already have a good regen from your items) and buy an Ultimate Orb and finish the item. Linkens is the best upgrade for your Perserverance that served you so well in the early stages of the game - it will give you more survivability some dps and the Spell Block passive that fits your hero play style so well - in team fights you should be acting like an anti-support by targeting enemy spell casters silencing them with your scarabs disrupting their combos hitting them and if not killing them at least pushing them away from the fight not allowing their support or dmg spells to be used.The good of Linkens is even that it doesn`t offer full protection when you silence your target if another enemy hero tries to stun/hex you or hit you with high dmg nuke you`ll be able to dodge that get a few hits and become invisible again... after 5-6 sec you`ll jump again and silence your target and hit again and if they try to disable or nuke you again you should be able to survive with your high hp from armlet and Linkens and if in low health use Time Lapse... and after another Shukuchi/hit/Shukuchi cycle you should be most probably alive with your Spell Block cooled... and you tanked some spells for your allies drive some attention on yourself giving them opportunity to act and also harassed/silenced an enemy spell caster.

late game finisher



After you make Linkens Sphere you have a free item slot so you should save your money and get a Sacred Relic and upgrade it to Radiance. This is the best dps item for Weaver coz it allows you to hit when you`re not hitting - most of the time you should be in WW and appear occasionally just to silence and make a Geminate Attack... and the immolation will hit multiple enemies and the straight dmg form the Radiance works just fine with you showing for a few seconds hitting and disappearing again - you don`t need attack speed for that coz your orb does the job by giving you extra hit every 2.5 seconds.The magic dmg from Radiance even that it comes late into the game should not be underestimated -compared to lvl 5 Dagon that deals 800dmg every 24 seconds to a single target Immolation will deal 880 magic dmg onto area for the same time... and comes with 60 bonus dmg and it`s cheaper...

some notes about Radiance...
I really really find that weapon useless for almost any hero... except for Weaver - it just fits his way of play better than any other dmg item... the thing is that when playing with Weaver you should be most of the time in the heat of the battle but still try to be pain in the ass for the opposing team and get away fast with your Shukuchi skill after appearing for no longer than 2-3seconds... the immolation and the raw dmg from Radiance gives you just that and with Armlet and Linkens and your nice ultimate you should be able to reappear constantly in battles deal dmg and stay alive. Radiance is a bad item on most WW heroes except Weaver - you don`t have a long cooldown WW so basically your location is known for enemies but it`s just that you`re hard to hit coz you`re fast and get visible/invisible for brief periods of time.
The problem with high str gain heroes picking Radiance is that they need to get some tank first so they don`t die fast so the item is more effective(rushing it also doesn`t make sense since you`ll be with low health/resists and you`ll die fast coz people will target you) but that means that they won`t get any other dps or move speed improving items so the bonus 60 dmg that radiance gives is most of the time wasted(they are melee don`t have a good positioning or bonus ms skill...BB probably being the only exception coz he have a slow a bonus ms and a good tanking skill) and they even can`t chase fleeing heroes... and if you ask me there are always better items for them than Radiance for late game.Weaver doesn`t need some huge and expensive tanking items simply coz he has invisibility skill and the other good thing is that the same skill also allows him to chase well.Yup you get good tank from Armlet and Linkens and they are not very cheap but still they don`t give you only survivability but and a nice dps boost and health/mana regen and are picked for early ganking/harassing and Radiance just fits perfectly with them.


situational build



Well sometimes things can get so terribly horribly wrong for your team so they badly need a supporter instead of anti support and you can fit that role too... after you get Armlet(this is a must coz with your pathetic hp you`ll die every time someone decides to touch you...) and you have some spare cash disassemble you Perserverance and make HoD with the RoH and later Khadgar`s Pipe - this will not only help your mates against heavy nuker team(if that`s the case) but also will make you really hard to kill combined with the Armlet you already have. You get some more cash than replace a Wraith with an Ultimate Orb and go for Guinsoo coz it gives you a nice disable... mana is an overkill yes but still hexing a heavy dps-er for 3.5sec can be vital in a battles.

rejected items


Hmm... the other possible upgrade for Perserverance but I find Linkens to be better... it gives you more tank but no dmg and you don`t need the charges much(excess mana/hp regen is not much needed and better let someone else get it make kills and accumulate charges) and you`ll miss the Spell Block...




You simply cannot afford to rush them - huge parts that are hard to farm and offer you no regen - you`ll be just a farming bug not helping your team... if game drags on you can get one of them after Radiance.You get Skadi if you need the slow and better tank against nukes and Butter for more dps and survivability against physical attacks... what to get you should decide based on enemy line up.



Do you need attack speed when you have your Geminate Attack...? Do you need the ms when you don`t have max in game speed every two seconds out of six...?



Going for some sweet farming...? No you`re playing Weaver wrong! Porting to a scarab near an enemy jungler...? No you can`t kill him coz your cool boots don`t give you dmg or survivability... Armlet costs the same amount of gold but gives a lot more than the ability to fly around...



Raw dps items offering no protection are a NO NO for Weaver and even late game Butterfly or EoS are much better... also the crits and bashes from those items interfere with your Geminate Attack.



Uh...11!? Just NO1!11



DOURLYTINKURESOMSORTOFSUPPABUG111!?!?11



Over tanked... planing to go for that suppa bug thing...!?111

afterword

This a gank/support build for Weaver that I think fits better his skills than going straight for Radi rush and later rice farming dps items for making him a carry... he is just not made for that - WW skill that gives you high ms and low health and no tank passives just make you a ganker/chaser that needs to be invisible for most of the time and his orb works best when you reappear constantly and hit a few times(gives you double dmg around every 3 seconds...) and his summons are good only for silencing/map awareness... yes he can carry but there are better heroes for that.

So the role Weaver fits best is to be constantly moving on the map helping his team mates by ganking/harassing enemies and just turning the numbers in fights in favor of his team with his high mobility.In big clashes he should be acting like anti-support targeting enemy spell casters silencing and trying to kill them.


The Radi Rush Build

This is a more passive build for Weaver(at least for early-mid game coz you`ll definitely have some mana/health problems if you try to play very aggressively and you`ll lack dmg to be effective in killing enemies) that requires less skill but gives good results coz rushed Radiance on a fast moving invisible bug will be a real pain in the ass for the opposing team and with it you`ll be able to stack yourself really fast with high tier items and become a carry.

early to mid game items



Vanguard is picked as a stepping stone that gives you survivability and regen for your long farming of a Relic.The two Nulls plus the Wraith and the Sobi are important for your early mobility(giving you nice mana regen) when your stats are low and will also give you some dmg for last hitting.

the mid game objective



After getting it you should be able to really put pressure on opposing team get some kills and farm fast your next item.

late game finishers



Good tank and slow that synergies well with immolation and some additional dmg is all you need after your Radiance.



With your early Radiance and your high mobility you`ll be a farming machine so it may be possible to obtain and Butter on top of that you already have - gives you nice tank against physical attacks and awesome dps.


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Razor Guide
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Old 07-31-2009, 05:49 PM   #2
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1.Radiance's effect is maximized during early-mid game, making it on late game where heroes have lots of hp is not good.

2. Weaver with no DPS items, wastes germinate attack.

3. Time Lapse can be used in more situations rather than healing from the degen of AoM.

4. Weaver is a powerful carry hero not a support one.
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Old 08-03-2009, 03:12 PM   #3
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5. u dont get boots at all?

6. even though he got his geminate attack more ias is still= more dps and pt add 190 life too. especially when u get radi which adds nice dmg, but no ias at all
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Old 08-03-2009, 10:48 PM   #4
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You dont need Boots if you use the Sukuchi and get the Refresher Orb.
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:26 PM   #5
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Old 08-05-2009, 08:45 PM   #6
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greit coments! tanks gais u helpt a lot!
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:36 AM   #7
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so nooob quide
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:21 AM   #8
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Radiance is the best item in the early game. Your invisibility gives you very good survival skill => you are able to buy sacred relic. Then a bit more gold and radiance is yours. My item order is 3xSlippers +1tango+clarity potion. - Radiance - 3 Wraith-Power Treads. Then either Butterfly or Heart or BKB.
Last Item order: Power treads-Radiance-Tarrasque-Butterfly-BKB-Sroll
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Old 08-06-2009, 02:39 PM   #9
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Gotta' try your guide.

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Old 08-06-2009, 03:49 PM   #10
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wow nice. have you ever even tried this build? its probably for playing against first timers
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radiance radiance radiance asap! so that you can abuse shukuchi much more -_-" geez
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Old 08-06-2009, 11:28 PM   #13
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3 brace > Armlet.
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Old 08-07-2009, 02:54 AM   #14
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wtfffff wtfff no ... wow wtf such as bad guide.... u dont even suggest boots
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Old 08-07-2009, 09:33 AM   #15
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author noob, weaver needs DPS items (MKB, Buriza)
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Perseverance? OMFG that's noob T_T
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is this guide serious? some ideas do makae sense...but...is this really tried in game? or just in theory? coz i really doubt that a weaver would actually care to use his scarabs when ganking...unless the scarab is already in position...but then, weaver would move so fast that you might probably forget you even have a scarab...
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oh my god..radiance at late game??
should you farm it early on to take advantage of your shukuchi and one thing more. a linken??
i'd rather farm for a bf foa ias
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is this guide serious? some ideas do makae sense...but...is this really tried in game? or just in theory? coz i really doubt that a weaver would actually care to use his scarabs when ganking...unless the scarab is already in position...but then, weaver would move so fast that you might probably forget you even have a scarab...
Yes I normally go for Armlet when playing Weaver but if you`re asking for a league replay I don`t think anyone is ever used the Armlet heal technique...

About scarabs - yes currently is not possible to use them how the guide suggests simply coz when you group them with your hero, use tab to give them orders and use the explode option for silencing they all die... so impossible micro is required to use them properly as I suggest by selecting them one by one manually and giving them orders but I think this will be fixed in some next version so they don`t all die when you use the explode order.So if that is fixed I don`t see problems in using them properly - I was a good warcraft player so doing this kind of tasks(using multiple units and giving them orders) was never hard for me...
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Old 08-15-2009, 11:32 PM   #20
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foreword
The purpose of this guide is to show what role Anub'seran fits best given his skill set.



This a gank/support build for Weaver that I think fits better...
I don't think it fits weaver best rather than making him a dps carry. Thanks for giving us a new idea on playing weaver though. Second, consider the "what if's" in making your guide. For example: What if you're silenced, you have no boots for you to run and a 6 second silence will look like forever considering your health. No boots is just a risk. Dual Disablers will own you early on before you even grab an armlett. About Armlett, I noticed in your guides that it seems to be your favorite item. It's a good item but not really good for an agi dps.
Prioritizing items like armlett and linkens over radiance & butterfly would scare noone on the enemy team which doesn't make you "The Most Annoying Bug". It'll be hard farming radiance if all you got is a linken and a sukuchi that only hit each creep once.
About your role as a ganker, you neither have a disable nor decent damage early-mid game so unless your ganking with a teammate, your useless. I would like to see screenshots and replays on your guide, it will prove how useful this build would be.
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