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Old 01-05-2014, 09:11 AM   #41
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Old 01-05-2014, 10:54 AM   #42
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Other than Pudge beating TA mid nothing is wrong in this thread. Meepo is legit mid against some heroes (OD maybe, QoP, Invoker, a mediocre Storm, Zeus...). You just need to, if nothing else works, leech xp until level 4.
OD, QoP, Invoker, and Storm wreck Meepo.

He only works against terrible squishy mids with no escape mechanisms, and even then you're not going to have any way of killing them unless they massively fuck up.

Just because Meepo can outright survive in the mid lane doesn't mean he's good at it.
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Old 01-05-2014, 11:17 AM   #43
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By ss, u mean Shadow Sfiend, right?
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OD, QoP, Invoker, and Storm wreck Meepo.

He only works against terrible squishy mids with no escape mechanisms, and even then you're not going to have any way of killing them unless they massively fuck up.

Just because Meepo can outright survive in the mid lane doesn't mean he's good at it.
No they don't wreck Meepo. Cut the theorycraft and try playing vs a good Meepo player. Your qq will be approved.
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No they don't wreck Meepo. Cut the theorycraft and try playing vs a good Meepo player. Your qq will be approved.
40 base damage and he's melee. To cs he has to stand still for 1.5 seconds. To kill someone he has to do 2 net combo's in a row.
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Old 01-05-2014, 11:38 AM   #46
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40 base damage and he's melee. To cs he has to stand still for 1.5 seconds. To kill someone he has to do 2 net combo's.
Well, the base damage is a problem. But other than that he has no problem casting two nets and standing for 1.5 seconds next to creeps (being one of the most tanky heroes on early levels in the game).
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Old 01-05-2014, 11:48 AM   #47
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Meepo is better be put in the offlane tbh. Farm till level 4 and then kill the enemy trilane on ur own. GG WP.
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Well, the base damage is a problem. But other than that he has no problem casting two nets and standing for 1.5 seconds next to creeps (being one of the most tanky heroes on early levels in the game).
Gj, you just took 3 auto attacks and an Astral/Cold snap that interupted your poof anyway, minimum.
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i don't think meepo counters OD that hard tho... you shouldn't be able to kill him easily, even if you can scrape enough mana together for a full combo (double net + double poof). the moment you net him down, he can just prison the other meepo to stop the netting and run away. also his high pure damage output means he can easily kill you in the midgame.
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Gj, you just took 3 auto attacks and an Astral/Cold snap that interupted your poof anyway, minimum.
Thats why you bring a lot of regen and nothing else..also cold snap has 20 sec cooldown and you should aim to get a couple of creeps with poof (which has a 12 sec cooldown on lvl 1) so landing a poof won't be a problem even agains an invoker with inhuman refexes..

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i don't think meepo counters OD that hard tho... you shouldn't be able to kill him easily, even if you can scrape enough mana together for a full combo (double net + double poof). the moment you net him down, he can just prison the other meepo to stop the netting and run away. also his high pure damage output means he can easily kill you in the midgame.
That is true. OD is a handful to any hero that needs mana to function.
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Thats why you bring a lot of regen and nothing else..also cold snap has 20 sec cooldown and you should aim to get a couple of creeps with poof (which has a 12 sec cooldown on lvl 1) so landing a poof won't be a problem even agains an invoker with inhuman refexes..

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That is true. OD is a handful to any hero that needs mana to function.
So getting a couple of creeps every 16 seconds with 0 kill potential is a decent laner to you?
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So getting a couple of creeps every 16 seconds with 0 kill potential is a decent laner to you?
1) you can't cancel Poof so its 12 seconds on lvl 1.
2) where did his kill potential go? Invoker would just perish under a double poof + 2 auto attacks from both meepos.
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Old 01-05-2014, 02:36 PM   #53
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How could meepo do anything versus a TA, QoP, OD, pretty much any in meta mid hero.
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Old 01-05-2014, 03:16 PM   #54
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How could meepo do anything versus a TA, QoP, OD, pretty much any in meta mid hero.
Remove TA from the list. Geostrike vs Shild
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How could meepo do anything versus a TA, QoP, OD, pretty much any in meta mid hero.
TA and QoP aren't a problem. And he will (with a tiny buff) be one of the best mid heroes in the game. Now he is fine if played right.
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Old 01-05-2014, 03:54 PM   #56
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It really is as simple as netting them and they're fucked, unless you're playing against puck.

Or QoP. Or invoker. Or weaver. Or anybody who is smart enough to play carefully enough not to die to an obvious gank attempt.
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Or QoP. Or invoker. Or weaver. Or anybody who is smart enough to play carefully enough not to die to an obvious gank attempt.
How about a countergank? And how do you evade an obvious gank attempt? One net is enough to kill anyone. Blink and invis doesn't work while Earthbinded.
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I love playing against weaver. Before 6 he blows up so easily.
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i love pudge, bait that sucker at lvl 4 and when the obvious hook comes -> suddenly a full hp clone in his way
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This is flawed in several ways:
1st: Pudge Hook is pure damage. A Meepo standing still for a poof is meat, since Meepo isn't that much of a tanky. Then Pudge can simply right-click him and activate/deactivate Rot for slow.
2nd: Earthbind is unreliable. Anyone with half skill can evade it, otherwise there would be no need for dagger on Meepo.
3rd: Shitty damage right on will make Meepo lose all the last hits and denies until lvl 4.
4th: limited mana pool for Poof spam, so limited farm.
5th: limited damage output. "Oh, look! Double-poof at melee range causes 400 magical damage! WOOOOOOOOOW!" Centaur causes the same amount on the same lvl, except one of them is pure damage and he doesn't have to channel.
6th: Counter-picked by the most obvious Meepo counter: Sniper. And then we have the other counters like Huskar, BS (yes, BS. Meepo nets with one, Blood Rages the other and walks away), Silencer, Timbersaw, Invoker and a smart spell pick.
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This is flawed in several ways:
1st: Pudge Hook is pure damage. A Meepo standing still for a poof is meat, since Meepo isn't that much of a tanky. Then Pudge can simply right-click him and activate/deactivate Rot for slow.
2nd: Earthbind is unreliable. Anyone with half skill can evade it, otherwise there would be no need for dagger on Meepo.
3rd: Shitty damage right on will make Meepo lose all the last hits and denies until lvl 4.
4th: limited mana pool for Poof spam, so limited farm.
5th: limited damage output. "Oh, look! Double-poof at melee range causes 400 magical damage! WOOOOOOOOOW!" Centaur causes the same amount on the same lvl, except one of them is pure damage and he doesn't have to channel.
6th: Counter-picked by the most obvious Meepo counter: Sniper. And then we have the other counters like Huskar, BS (yes, BS. Meepo nets with one, Blood Rages the other and walks away), Silencer, Timbersaw, Invoker and a smart spell pick.
1) Meepo is one of the tankiest heroes on low levels (second time saying this)
2) How do you dodge an Earthbind as Pudge? Please tell me.
3) Thats why you last hit with Poof.
4) No, not really. He has enough mana. Poof is cheap.
5) Most heroes die to Meepos combo at lvl 4. Not sure what limited damage means. Which hero has unlimited damage? (besides auto attacks and Heartstopper Aura)
6) You can't even read that this topick is about high level DotA. Pitiful.
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1) Meepo is one of the tankiest heroes on low levels (second time saying this)
He has the same the same starting STR of BS with a lower gain and no fast heal ability. Zet has bigger starting and bigger gain and he's ranged. Ursa has bigger starting STR and growth. Atropos has one point less, but half point growth more, so he equalizes on lvl 3 and he has a heal. Winter, Visage, Batrider, DS, Ogre, Jakiro. I haven't even touched on STR heroes. Inb4 you say most of them don't mid

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2) How do you dodge an Earthbind as Pudge? Please tell me.
I don't know, maybe... walking?
And I didn't say it had to necessarily be Pudge.

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On every creep on the lane? Do you even have cooldown for that? And a smart player will come to ways of denying you the creep with false deny and the like.[/quote]

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4) No, not really. He has enough mana. Poof is cheap.
260 starting mana plus 20~ per level. You have 4-5 poofs until lvl 3. And then you'll be manaless on 4 for your FB.

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5) Most heroes die to Meepos combo at lvl 4. Not sure what limited damage means. Which hero has unlimited damage? (besides auto attacks and Heartstopper Aura)
What I meant is that Meepo's combo is not enough to solo someone on 4. MAYBE on 5 if the target is dumb enough to get close or too skilless evade Earthbind. And that damage was supposing you've maxed Poof, but people also said Geostrike and Earthbind. I am confused.

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Funny, you say about high level but don't know how people can evade bind? Oh, sorry, Mr. Pro, from the pubs I stem from people evade skills, but I guess pro level doesn't need this shit. What a n66b I am.
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Im not discussing this with a person that evades Earthbind by "walking" and names Sniper as a high level hero.
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You don't argue because you can't. You haven't touched any of my points.

I never mentioned Sniper as a high level hero. You are making crosses where there are none. Tell me why people can't evade Earthbind by walking? People evade hooks (which are WAAAAY faster) walking around, why wouldn't they evade the bind? Nether Blast takes about the same to work and people evade it. People evade Impales, Shock Waves, Ice Blasts and Sonic Waves - heck! I've seen people walk out of the way from Hook Shots! So why not bind?
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You don't argue because you can't. You haven't touched any of my points.

I never mentioned Sniper as a high level hero. You are making crosses where there are none. Tell me why people can't evade Earthbind by walking? People evade hooks (which are WAAAAY faster) walking around, why wouldn't they evade the bind? Nether Blast takes about the same to work and people evade it. People evade Impales, Shock Waves, Ice Blasts and Sonic Waves - heck! I've seen people walk out of the way from Hook Shots! So why not bind?
I thought your arguments were pretty solid. If you can't juke an earthbind, you should keep practicing. lol.
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Im not discussing this with a person that evades Earthbind by "walking" and names Sniper as a high level hero.


You said that. Saved me the effort.
Earthbind is one of the easiest things in the game to avoid by walking.
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I can't believe these people. PD pro's at their finest.
Pls provide replays against decent mids.
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1) Meepo is one of the tankiest heroes on low levels (second time saying this)
Don't think so,he is not tanky at all on low levels.
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Don't think so,he is not tanky at all on low levels.
He actually is. Compare him to other heroes.
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He actually is. Compare him to other heroes.
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Since when did Meepo stopped to be one of the worst mid solos? Lol at him winning the lane against most common solo mids. And the only people you will kill at lvl 4 will be afk heroes.
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Yes, we'll just gank you and be fine.
Genuine PD pro here.
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Since when did Meepo stopped to be one of the worst mid solos? Lol at him winning the lane against most common solo mids. And the only people you will kill at lvl 4 will be afk heroes.
idk man...pudge kills afk heroes in my games all the time lately...
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