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| Last edited by feral_nature; 08-21-2009 at 07:10 PM. | |
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I think that it is viable, like it is viable to rush heart on viper or razor and such, but since magina can blink, it's better to play him as a quick killer that enter and evade the battle really quickly, and that never engage first in order to avoid disables
I'm in love with heart though so I get it after one core item (butter in most cases...) |
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Listen mate, we all know that mage is fragile early game, as is any carry hero with massive potential.but this doesnt mean u pump him up with str items.Whats the use of having hp when u cant deal damage thats enough to tilt the game in your favor? maybe heart can be accquired late game as last invent, but definitely not prioritised over butterfly.Nowadays, people avoid vanguard too,as that kinda delays your core.And as for ur skill build.
1 question "WHAT IS THE POINT OF TAKING MANA VOID WHEN U DONT BURN ENOUGH MANA?" |
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Hey, this is not a bad idea! Helicopter ejector seats were a bad idea. This is something even worse. What's next, DPS techies? This horrible build won't even last in noob pubs.
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I think that Vanguard is now core on Magina, given that he got a str nerf. He needs the str boost/regen. I was against vanguard for the longest time, but ice buffed VG (total cost, block %, +HP reg). Magina already has high magic resistance, he needs some physical resistance. We all know heart is nice, but going straight for one is not easy at times.
No talk on basher? basher was a bad item for its cost but now it's not a bad item considering so many boosts within the past 2 patches. I believe the skill build is wrong, you should max out mana break first. Here is a high level scrim (.59d unforunately) Dota Replay Parser the magina farmed magic stick, treads, vanguard and vlads in 25 minutes. being well babysat with dazzle, and it went monstrous with those 3 items. Quote:
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Your carry build is the best build, without the AoM ofcourse. PT + VG + Vlads....that is good enough, as mentioned and proved by Vindicate.
Your skill build is scary at the moment. You say to boost HP for spell shield to be useful, and you your self take spell shield when he has paper HP. You can take 1 level of shiled early game, though very debateable, the rest can come around 11, when the strong ulties of casters are the most potential damage dealers. If you don't take mana break, do not take mana void. |
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I'm my opinion, u should max out blink and mana break first, just so u can escape and harrass early game
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IMO Hot is just a bad idea as the main core item. He can live forever but cant dish out damage. I feel, as do most posters above me do, vanguard can fulfill this role well enough.
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Really? Hard to read without grammar. Items aren't the best (Armlet is straight up terrible, why do you need +25 str when you can blink? Get a basher or curiass)
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i rather up max mana break cause it can reduce opponent mana in no time and reduce the possiblity being nuke by spell
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why u need phase boot while u can blink?? and the skill build i think it depends on the enemy, if the enemy u face is the nuker, i rather have blink full and speel shield 1 or 2, and mana break...actually it depends on the enemy, btw this guide give me idea how 2 use magina another ways...thx
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about the skill build - it is very passive just for better surviving in early stages of the game when magina is weak so you don`t lose gold from dying - one level of blink is enough for escaping if you decide to not play aggressive in the beginning... and the thing is even if your line lacks nukers when enemies come to gank you or you`re just taking part in a skirmish you`ll be hit with spells.if you like to be more aggressive from early game its your choice but i prefer the possibility to not die than the possibility to get gold from a kill.
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AM's a physical damage dealer, so he benefits more of Power Treads. Phase boots for chasing? What the hell's Blink for? RoB's wasted. The only skill he'll spam is Blink and you'll only spam it if your chasing down wounded foes. Heart is a luxury item, not a core. You should be aiming for Butterfly (or Battlefury if you need DPS item ASAP) after you get his *core* items (Treads, Wraiths x3, Vanguard). Together with any DPS items (MKB, Buriza) and BKB against disablers.
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well HOT rush can work.. its pretty hard to do against a decent lane tho. i prefer maxing blink and break and goin vanguard to this, tbh. surprised linkens wasnt mentioned at all. pretty good item on magina imo, specially against many single target disables that cant be blink-dodged (rhasta for example). phase are stupid imo, its a waste on blinkers... and the fact that AM has a low BAT makes it even more worthwhile to get more IAS. just get a yasha if u want ms. vlads is ok, but i am not a fan of bashers... u cant even permabash anymore :<
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yeah a AM with tons of hp, great, just blink in the battle and recieve and spells..-_-"
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ummm...i know that i'm probably wasting my time..but still..have you guys seen his weaver guide? well its almost the same as this one..so i'm not sure if this is a joke build or what. maybe the author is just messing with us...or not. but what the hell..just wanted to relate that so no noob will go and flame the author
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Yeah with the HoT build you`ll get +3 more active abilities so I guess this will be a hard play style to master for the average player... |
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Having such a high-level of spell shield so early is a waste IMO. I would much, much rather max out mana-break followed by blink. If you're playing with competent teammates then they'll stuns and snares to provide you with opportunities for kills. Theres no need to build AM as a tank. He is a very precise character and requires a lot of timing. You enter team-battles AFTER the spells have been thrown and proceed to wipe out everything. Address his survivability sure but going for a Heart as first item is overkill. Phase is unncessary, you can get much more use out of power treads.
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Delay Spell Shield, and get HoD->Pipe ^^
Vs casters it's like invulnerablity...
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Yup HoD is probably the worst item you can get for Magina considering magic resist stacks with diminishing returns and that you already have a passive that boosts it - for a 2k worth of gold you`ll get around +10% magic resist and 8 hp/sec regeneration...
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