[COSMETIC] Skill Tooltips

Quiesce · 01-03-2010, 01:07 AM

In my opinion, the skill template needs a uniform base. The items got it, why not skills?

Here's an example of a current tooltip, from Invoker

As you can see, it isn't very uniform.

My template is this:

Skill Name - Level X

Enter description of skill here. Do not use any numbers, only explain what the skill does.
For example, Invoker builds up a charge of electromagnetic energy at a targeted location which automatically detonates and burns mana dependant on Wex.

Effects: Enter the skill's effects here. For example, Burns 400 mana and removes half the burnt mana from the unit's hitpoints.
Casting Details: Enter the skill's cast range, AoE, and target type. Also mention the damage type of the skill. For example, 600 casting range, 700 AoE location target.

Cooldown: Cooldown in seconds. Don't add the numbers (despite the pictures)!

Orb Effects do not stack.
Buff placers do not stack.

Channeling: Will stop casting if interrupted.
Scepter Upgradeable: Improves ...

Right-click to activate auto-casting.

At the level-up screen:

Effects: Variations on effects depending on the level. For example, 2/2.5/3 second stun. etc.
Casting Range: Variations on casting range and AoE.

Manacost: Variations on manacost, such as 150/160/170

Cooldown: Variations on cooldown. For example, 20/19/18 seconds.

Orb Effects do not stack.
Buff placers do not stack.

Channeling: Will stop casting if interrupted.
Scepter Upgradable: Improves...

Ignore any part of the slate that doesn't need it. For example, Passive skills may not need cooldown, or the skill's AoE does not variate.

Here's some comparison:

OLD

NEW

Old

New

Dear me, I forgot to add the level to the new one. That's part of the template, right?

Old

New

Once again, forgot the skill level. The seconds on the cooldown shouldn't be there. It should just be 25.

Here's some code:

Notes
Invoker is a special case requiring a bit of coding to work with the text and adjust according to his Quas/Wex/Exort abilities.
According to Phthalocyanine, apparently you can code even further for most skills with cooldown and variable effects in the learn section. You could probably even extend this to the normal tooltips, adjusting damage and stuff where-fit.

Pros
+User-Friendly
+Uniform
+New information at hand

Cons
-Lost information and rewording
-Needs a lot of time to work on

A place to help this suggestion pass, with your help: [PROJECT] Skill Tooltip Overhaul.

Yendor · 01-03-2010, 01:18 AM

T-UP from me.
I would even go farther, and add Cast range and AoE and so on. (i.e. damage type or penetrates magic immunity)

Linux_Xp · 01-03-2010, 01:30 AM

perfect t-up

Captain Planet · 01-03-2010, 01:36 AM

Some skills are more clearly explained that others. I think this should be implemented where it really needs to be. I.e. Dirge, when I first played him, I had no idea of what some of his skills did, even after reading the tooltip 3 or 4 times. The only way I could figure it out was by using them. Some heroes won't need this suggestion, but some definitely will. T-up for the right implementation, because a little backstory rounds the descriptions off nicely I feel.

But T-up overall

Quiesce · 01-03-2010, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Juggernaut

Some skills are more clearly explained that others. I think this should be implemented where it really needs to be. I.e. Dirge, when I first played him, I had no idea of what some of his skills did, even after reading the tooltip 3 or 4 times. The only wayI could figure it out was by using them. Some heroes won't need this suggestion, but some definitely will. T-up for the right implementation, because a little backstory rounds the descriptions off nicely I feel.

But T-up overall

I am refining the tooltips for ALLLLLLL skills.

:b

ResQ · 01-03-2010, 03:21 AM

A very good suggestion. Keep it clean and simple.

t-up

Necro · 01-03-2010, 03:40 AM

T-up.

Ez_Mystery · 01-03-2010, 03:46 AM

Name - (Level X)

Description Description Description Description Description Description
Description Description Description Description Description Description

Effects: XXX
Damage Type: XXX
Manacost: XXX
Cooldown: XXX

Sceptre Upgradeable: XXX

nice suggestion, pretty useful

dominator02 · 01-03-2010, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Necro

T-up.

this.

Realitey · 01-03-2010, 11:37 AM

FIX

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ez_Mystery

[NQB]Name - (Level X)

Description Description Description Description Description Description
Description Description Description Description Description Description

Effects: XXX
Damage Type: XXX
Manacost: XXX
Cooldown: XXX

Sceptre Upgradeable

If Skill is Not Scepter Upgradeable dont show the Text.. No Need to Say Yes or No !

T-Up for the Idea

Infrisios · 01-03-2010, 12:18 PM

Gets a clear T-Up, DotA definitely needs consistent tooltips.

Siraraz · 01-03-2010, 12:21 PM

Original

(Not really, other maps have this format too, was the assist system also 'copied' from another map? AoM?)

Anyways, T-UP

MonkeyEx · 01-03-2010, 12:52 PM

and dark seer is a bit discriminated
since the casting range for his ulti is shown!!!

put casting range in skills description!!!
for auras, put the AoE..

anyway, T-up
but add casting range and AoE for auras

reenato · 01-03-2010, 01:31 PM

t-up. =D

Necro · 01-03-2010, 01:33 PM

T-up!

Quiesce · 01-04-2010, 03:36 AM

Thanks everyone for the support!

Roger Black · 01-04-2010, 10:26 AM

t-up...goes well with the latest recipe description updates...another great way to make DotA more professional

graphiQ · 01-04-2010, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rogerblack

another great way to make DotA more professional

Yeah, cmon! Big T-Up!

Fate Trap · 01-04-2010, 11:10 AM

t-up!

Baldoro · 01-04-2010, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rogerblack

t-up...goes well with the latest recipe description updates...another great way to make DotA more professional

Correct

.
T-up.

01-03-2010, 01:07 AM	#1
Quiesce Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 2,612 Blog Entries: 2	[COSMETIC] Skill Tooltips In my opinion, the skill template needs a uniform base. The items got it, why not skills? Here's an example of a current tooltip, from Invoker As you can see, it isn't very uniform. My template is this: Skill Name - Level X Enter description of skill here. Do not use any numbers, only explain what the skill does. For example, Invoker builds up a charge of electromagnetic energy at a targeted location which automatically detonates and burns mana dependant on Wex. Effects: Enter the skill's effects here. For example, Burns 400 mana and removes half the burnt mana from the unit's hitpoints. Casting Details: Enter the skill's cast range, AoE, and target type. Also mention the damage type of the skill. For example, 600 casting range, 700 AoE location target. Cooldown: Cooldown in seconds. Don't add the numbers (despite the pictures)! Orb Effects do not stack. Buff placers do not stack. Channeling: Will stop casting if interrupted. Scepter Upgradeable: Improves ... Right-click to activate auto-casting. At the level-up screen: Effects: Variations on effects depending on the level. For example, 2/2.5/3 second stun. etc. Casting Range: Variations on casting range and AoE. Manacost: Variations on manacost, such as 150/160/170 Cooldown: Variations on cooldown. For example, 20/19/18 seconds. Orb Effects do not stack. Buff placers do not stack. Channeling: Will stop casting if interrupted. Scepter Upgradable: Improves... Ignore any part of the slate that doesn't need it. For example, Passive skills may not need cooldown, or the skill's AoE does not variate. Here's some comparison: OLD NEW Old New Dear me, I forgot to add the level to the new one. That's part of the template, right? Old New Once again, forgot the skill level. The seconds on the cooldown shouldn't be there. It should just be 25. Here's some code: Enter description of skill here. Do not use any numbers, only explain what the skill does. \|c007EBFF1Effects\|r: Enter the skill's effects here. For example, Burns 400 mana and removes half the burnt mana from the unit's hitpoints. \|c007EBFF1Casting Range\|r: Enter the skill's cast range, AoE, and targeting type. For example, 600 casting range, 700 AoE location target. Various targets are units, heroes, creeps, location, etc. \|c007EBFF1Cooldown\|r: Cooldown in seconds. \|c00FF0303Orb effects do not stack.\|r \|c007EBFF1Buff placers do not stack.\|r \|c00FF0303Channeling: Will stop casting if interrupted.\|r \|cffFFFF00Scepter Upgradeable Text\|r Notes Invoker is a special case requiring a bit of coding to work with the text and adjust according to his Quas/Wex/Exort abilities. According to Phthalocyanine, apparently you can code even further for most skills with cooldown and variable effects in the learn section. You could probably even extend this to the normal tooltips, adjusting damage and stuff where-fit. Pros +User-Friendly +Uniform +New information at hand Cons -Lost information and rewording -Needs a lot of time to work on A place to help this suggestion pass, with your help: [PROJECT] Skill Tooltip Overhaul. __________________ .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..............

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01-03-2010, 01:18 AM	#2
Yendor Forum Staff Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,742	Re: [COSMETIC] Skill Tooltips T-UP from me. I would even go farther, and add Cast range and AoE and so on. (i.e. damage type or penetrates magic immunity)

01-03-2010, 01:30 AM	#3
Linux_Xp Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 181	Re: [COSMETIC] Skill Tooltips perfect t-up

01-03-2010, 03:21 AM	#6
ResQ Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 4,516 Blog Entries: 2	Re: [COSMETIC] Skill Tooltips A very good suggestion. Keep it clean and simple. t-up

01-03-2010, 03:40 AM	#7
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01-03-2010, 12:18 PM	#11
Infrisios Forum Staff Join Date: May 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 2,461 Blog Entries: 3	Re: [COSMETIC] Skill Tooltips Gets a clear T-Up, DotA definitely needs consistent tooltips. __________________ Mechanic Article - Clickability My suggestions When they come for me, I'll be sitting at my desk With a gun in my hand, wearing a bulletproof vest singing "My, my, my, how the time does fly, when you know you're going to die By the end of the night." And said hey - Streetlight Manifesto - Keasbey Nights

01-03-2010, 12:21 PM	#12
Siraraz Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 1,751 Blog Entries: 4	Re: [COSMETIC] Skill Tooltips Original (Not really, other maps have this format too, was the assist system also 'copied' from another map? AoM?) Anyways, T-UP

01-03-2010, 12:52 PM	#13
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01-03-2010, 01:31 PM	#14
reenato Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 127	Re: [COSMETIC] Skill Tooltips t-up. =D

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01-04-2010, 03:36 AM	#16
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01-04-2010, 10:26 AM	#17
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